1
00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:07,450
[Music]

2
00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:24,150
you're in the podcast the gold-standard

3
00:00:35,970 --> 00:00:34,090
of paranormal radio Jean Steinberg this

4
00:00:38,340 --> 00:00:35,980
episode of the podcast is brought to you

5
00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:38,350
by audible.com the internet's leading

6
00:00:43,619 --> 00:00:40,770
provider of audiobooks with more than

7
00:00:44,939 --> 00:00:43,629
75,000 downloadable titles across all

8
00:00:48,060 --> 00:00:44,949
types of literature including fiction

9
00:00:50,790 --> 00:00:48,070
nonfiction and periodicals for free

10
00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:50,800
audio book of your choice go to audible

11
00:00:58,229 --> 00:00:54,250
podcast.com slash eric ass that's

12
00:01:00,690 --> 00:00:58,239
audible podcast.com slash power cast and

13
00:01:02,370 --> 00:01:00,700
now ah with the show Chris O'Brien is

14
00:01:04,020 --> 00:01:02,380
the co-host again this week I'm gene

15
00:01:05,940 --> 00:01:04,030
Steinberg you're definitely a hundred

16
00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:05,950
thousand percent of the power cast and

17
00:01:10,950 --> 00:01:09,130
we have a really unusual special guest

18
00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:10,960
not that he's an unusual person is a

19
00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:13,090
very accomplished person but he doesn't

20
00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:15,250
do radio he's dr. frank salisbury and

21
00:01:18,270 --> 00:01:17,050
he'll join us later in the show

22
00:01:20,910 --> 00:01:18,280
but right now let's just talk about

23
00:01:23,219 --> 00:01:20,920
loads of other things now as some of you

24
00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:23,229
know who've been following the

25
00:01:27,660 --> 00:01:24,970
discussions in the podcast forums

26
00:01:30,390 --> 00:01:27,670
there's been this ongoing brouhaha

27
00:01:32,430 --> 00:01:30,400
involving a woman from New Zealand

28
00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:32,440
who goes by the name of Emma woods I say

29
00:01:37,260 --> 00:01:34,450
goes by because that's not her real name

30
00:01:40,289 --> 00:01:37,270
and dr. David Jacobs a fellow from the

31
00:01:42,810 --> 00:01:40,299
Philadelphia area who is a history

32
00:01:45,270 --> 00:01:42,820
professor but well-known as a UFO

33
00:01:47,850 --> 00:01:45,280
abduction researcher now emma woods has

34
00:01:50,310 --> 00:01:47,860
been making claims that during the

35
00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:50,320
treatment or the session she had on the

36
00:01:55,859 --> 00:01:53,290
phone from new zealand to pennsylvania

37
00:01:57,690 --> 00:01:55,869
he abused her in some fashion

38
00:02:00,570 --> 00:01:57,700
now there's an article in UFO magazine

39
00:02:02,910 --> 00:02:00,580
by a character named jeremy vanie

40
00:02:05,249 --> 00:02:02,920
who has been on the show in the past he

41
00:02:08,219 --> 00:02:05,259
did a radio show with Jeff Richmond

42
00:02:11,100 --> 00:02:08,229
called perito Pia and he basically takes

43
00:02:13,979 --> 00:02:11,110
the point of view that David Jacobs is

44
00:02:15,630 --> 00:02:13,989
the villain she is the victim and it

45
00:02:17,430 --> 00:02:15,640
gets to be pretty crazy as a matter of

46
00:02:19,410 --> 00:02:17,440
fact our friend gia Mosley in this

47
00:02:21,420 --> 00:02:19,420
latest issue of saucer smears can be

48
00:02:25,199 --> 00:02:21,430
talking about it using the reference

49
00:02:26,670 --> 00:02:25,209
about sex and saucers and the reason he

50
00:02:29,940 --> 00:02:26,680
mentions that is because there's an

51
00:02:30,700 --> 00:02:29,950
alleged request from dr. Jacobs to get

52
00:02:33,460 --> 00:02:30,710
the pain

53
00:02:35,470 --> 00:02:33,470
is what the article says panties from

54
00:02:37,210 --> 00:02:35,480
Emma Woods so we could see if there's a

55
00:02:41,740 --> 00:02:37,220
lien semen in them

56
00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:41,750
yikes talk about weird I'm not gonna

57
00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:43,490
touch that one I'm not gonna sniff that

58
00:02:47,020 --> 00:02:43,970
one either

59
00:02:49,090 --> 00:02:47,030
oh I think the censors are listening we

60
00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:49,100
have the seven second delay and after

61
00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:51,170
this episode maybe after this discussion

62
00:02:56,230 --> 00:02:54,290
it will become a 400 second delay

63
00:02:58,270 --> 00:02:56,240
because they can't stop us we are

64
00:03:00,100 --> 00:02:58,280
incorrigible now I don't know is

65
00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:00,110
something smells fishy about this one I

66
00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:03,410
don't know I don't know what is going on

67
00:03:07,690 --> 00:03:05,570
with dr. David Jacobs he's been on the

68
00:03:10,330 --> 00:03:07,700
show he's been a gentleman I don't know

69
00:03:13,150 --> 00:03:10,340
that I support his methods he does

70
00:03:16,180 --> 00:03:13,160
hypnotic regression to unearth supposed

71
00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:16,190
hidden memories of UFO abductions which

72
00:03:21,430 --> 00:03:19,010
is very controversial in fact a lot of

73
00:03:24,010 --> 00:03:21,440
therapists don't believe that regression

74
00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:24,020
can be used for that Kevin Randall one

75
00:03:28,300 --> 00:03:26,090
of our other guests who's been on the

76
00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:28,310
show occasionally he's a longtime UFO

77
00:03:32,530 --> 00:03:29,890
researcher who does not support

78
00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:32,540
regression therapy I kind of think in

79
00:03:36,250 --> 00:03:34,970
the end that David Jacobs got in over

80
00:03:37,810 --> 00:03:36,260
his head

81
00:03:39,670 --> 00:03:37,820
and she'd never have gotten involved

82
00:03:41,860 --> 00:03:39,680
this doesn't mean that he's innocent of

83
00:03:45,430 --> 00:03:41,870
any wrongdoing here you know I don't

84
00:03:47,620 --> 00:03:45,440
know whether he facilitated any of her

85
00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:47,630
perceptions or what well you have is

86
00:03:52,930 --> 00:03:50,810
he-said she-said situation you know you

87
00:03:55,510 --> 00:03:52,940
never know what's true what isn't

88
00:03:58,900 --> 00:03:55,520
it's so unfortunate because nothing in

89
00:04:01,570 --> 00:03:58,910
this incident helps us figure out what

90
00:04:03,700 --> 00:04:01,580
is going on what the solution to the UFO

91
00:04:05,890 --> 00:04:03,710
mystery is what's the source of UFO

92
00:04:07,570 --> 00:04:05,900
abductions nothing it's just a lot of

93
00:04:11,070 --> 00:04:07,580
sensationalism don't you think so

94
00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:11,080
it's rather tawdry that's a good phrase

95
00:04:16,090 --> 00:04:13,730
well I'm not gonna touch that one there

96
00:04:20,110 --> 00:04:16,100
gene I think it's gonna be interesting

97
00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:20,120
to see what Rainy's take is and I always

98
00:04:23,890 --> 00:04:22,250
look forward to Jim Mosley's take on

99
00:04:27,010 --> 00:04:23,900
controversial subjects you know he's

100
00:04:30,430 --> 00:04:27,020
going to be mining the lowest common

101
00:04:32,110 --> 00:04:30,440
denominator on that one so inquiring

102
00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:32,120
minds stay tuned

103
00:04:35,830 --> 00:04:33,650
well of course you know the sexes and

104
00:04:37,570 --> 00:04:35,840
saucers thing goes back to Jim Mosely

105
00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:37,580
and the late great Barker you know they

106
00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:39,290
used to always talk about that always

107
00:04:43,500 --> 00:04:41,810
look for sexual inferences you know

108
00:04:45,540 --> 00:04:43,510
usually it was just a contact D

109
00:04:47,220 --> 00:04:45,550
who maybe was in touch with an

110
00:04:49,530 --> 00:04:47,230
attractive member of the opposite sex

111
00:04:52,500 --> 00:04:49,540
and you wondered if there were more

112
00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:52,510
things going on there hmm yeah I did

113
00:04:57,990 --> 00:04:54,570
have a case like that I must admit Jean

114
00:05:01,860 --> 00:04:58,000
dude she was in love with her abductor

115
00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:01,870
and she especially liked some of the

116
00:05:06,420 --> 00:05:03,610
outfits that he would wear including the

117
00:05:09,090 --> 00:05:06,430
gold LeMay cape that she said reminded

118
00:05:10,890 --> 00:05:09,100
her of Elvis but not so tacky and this

119
00:05:14,700 --> 00:05:10,900
wasn't a case of a Stockholm Syndrome

120
00:05:17,220 --> 00:05:14,710
coming back to as they say you know

121
00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:17,230
coming back to root there or something

122
00:05:23,310 --> 00:05:19,690
like that I know no this wasn't this

123
00:05:25,860 --> 00:05:23,320
actually a pretty darn interesting case

124
00:05:28,260 --> 00:05:25,870
for pretty well-documented referred to

125
00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:28,270
me by the Sheriff's Office so it wasn't

126
00:05:33,930 --> 00:05:30,850
the chickens coming home to roost no but

127
00:05:36,510 --> 00:05:33,940
they sure were interested in her and now

128
00:05:38,780 --> 00:05:36,520
her daughter and prior to that her

129
00:05:43,110 --> 00:05:38,790
mother so we have a three-generation

130
00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:43,120
case that also features interest in farm

131
00:05:51,590 --> 00:05:46,450
animals she does Lee's don't even sorry

132
00:05:57,540 --> 00:05:54,510
well I'm just telling it like it is they

133
00:06:00,150 --> 00:05:57,550
seem to like her so what can I

134
00:06:01,670 --> 00:06:00,160
tell you he did it he did it ladies and

135
00:06:03,810 --> 00:06:01,680
gentlemen let me hide my head in shame

136
00:06:05,820 --> 00:06:03,820
because I never heard anything like a

137
00:06:08,610 --> 00:06:05,830
nice Jewish boy from Brooklyn what do I

138
00:06:15,390 --> 00:06:08,620
know from farm boys and farm girls and

139
00:06:19,020 --> 00:06:15,400
what goes on behind the barn okay moving

140
00:06:21,210 --> 00:06:19,030
right along you were in Utah and I was I

141
00:06:24,900 --> 00:06:21,220
just got back from a from a wonderful

142
00:06:28,650 --> 00:06:24,910
trip to Utah to visit a recent guest

143
00:06:30,750 --> 00:06:28,660
ranma guerra and i was taken he was so

144
00:06:33,750 --> 00:06:30,760
sweet he met his halfway he had to drive

145
00:06:36,450 --> 00:06:33,760
two hours to to our meeting spot and we

146
00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:36,460
meandered our way up towards Moab he

147
00:06:41,070 --> 00:06:38,410
showed us some very interesting

148
00:06:43,230 --> 00:06:41,080
petroglyph sites Ron is a bit of an

149
00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:43,240
expert in interpreting petroglyphs he's

150
00:06:47,670 --> 00:06:45,970
writing a book on a dictionary basically

151
00:06:49,650 --> 00:06:47,680
that in attempts to interpret

152
00:06:51,930 --> 00:06:49,660
petroglyphs it's been working on it

153
00:06:54,300 --> 00:06:51,940
quite a while and one of the places I

154
00:06:56,790 --> 00:06:54,310
really was interested in seeing is the

155
00:07:00,330 --> 00:06:56,800
sago Canyon area which is north of

156
00:07:03,270 --> 00:07:00,340
I seventy kind of near the green river

157
00:07:06,809 --> 00:07:03,280
and at the top of sago canyon is the

158
00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:06,819
southernmost point of the winter new

159
00:07:11,249 --> 00:07:09,370
Indian Reservation where rumor has a

160
00:07:13,740 --> 00:07:11,259
quite a bit of UFO activity has been

161
00:07:15,749 --> 00:07:13,750
going on in this past few months so I

162
00:07:18,540 --> 00:07:15,759
wanted to go up there and check it out

163
00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:18,550
myself at the mouth of the canyon is a

164
00:07:24,450 --> 00:07:21,930
set of petroglyphs that are very just

165
00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:24,460
jaw-droppingly gorgeous and amazing I've

166
00:07:32,969 --> 00:07:28,210
included photographs on the forum at the

167
00:07:35,790 --> 00:07:32,979
para caste calm and it's just astounding

168
00:07:37,559 --> 00:07:35,800
the artistic abilities of ancient man

169
00:07:39,180 --> 00:07:37,569
some of these petroglyphs there's layers

170
00:07:41,790 --> 00:07:39,190
of them some of them may be as old as

171
00:07:43,529 --> 00:07:41,800
9,000 years old had a great trip took a

172
00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:43,539
lot of pictures didn't see anything

173
00:07:47,309 --> 00:07:45,250
flitting about in the sky but boy I

174
00:07:48,869 --> 00:07:47,319
needed to get away and you know get a

175
00:07:51,180 --> 00:07:48,879
little bit of downtime I was able to do

176
00:07:53,730 --> 00:07:51,190
some fossil hunting and other things on

177
00:07:56,189 --> 00:07:53,740
my way back and I'm back at bright-eyed

178
00:07:57,059 --> 00:07:56,199
and bushy-tailed and ready to rock and

179
00:08:00,360 --> 00:07:57,069
ready to roll

180
00:08:04,140 --> 00:08:00,370
in indeed okay well speaking of rocking

181
00:08:06,269 --> 00:08:04,150
and rolling we have a guest today that

182
00:08:09,059 --> 00:08:06,279
it's really a special occasion because

183
00:08:11,550 --> 00:08:09,069
this is the kind of guy who seldom if

184
00:08:15,089 --> 00:08:11,560
ever goes on radio he doesn't make the

185
00:08:18,089 --> 00:08:15,099
coast to coast am circuit for example no

186
00:08:21,719 --> 00:08:18,099
he doesn't he's quite an esteemed

187
00:08:25,619 --> 00:08:21,729
scientist many years taught it I think

188
00:08:27,330 --> 00:08:25,629
Utah upper Utah University I think it

189
00:08:30,959 --> 00:08:27,340
was at Colorado State University he has

190
00:08:33,089 --> 00:08:30,969
a PhD he's worked on some very

191
00:08:35,430 --> 00:08:33,099
interesting projects with plant biology

192
00:08:38,699 --> 00:08:35,440
he did the experiments aboard the MIR

193
00:08:41,130 --> 00:08:38,709
space station he designed he also wrote

194
00:08:44,490 --> 00:08:41,140
one of my favorite books on a wave of

195
00:08:46,079 --> 00:08:44,500
UFO activity which came out in 1974 was

196
00:08:49,380 --> 00:08:46,089
very instrumental in my thinking early

197
00:08:52,889 --> 00:08:49,390
on called the Utah UFO display which

198
00:08:56,850 --> 00:08:52,899
covered a series of events and waves of

199
00:08:58,769 --> 00:08:56,860
activity in the Uintah Basin of Utah of

200
00:09:00,449 --> 00:08:58,779
course so the Sherman ranch would be

201
00:09:04,829 --> 00:09:00,459
right in the middle of that particular

202
00:09:09,420 --> 00:09:04,839
area and from 76 through 74 or excuse me

203
00:09:10,290 --> 00:09:09,430
66 through 1974 he and fellow researcher

204
00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:10,300
jr. Hicks

205
00:09:16,950 --> 00:09:12,450
did an exhaustive scientific examination

206
00:09:20,250 --> 00:09:16,960
and and you know blogged quite a number

207
00:09:21,630 --> 00:09:20,260
of UFO events and were able to come up

208
00:09:23,850 --> 00:09:21,640
with some pretty interesting conclusions

209
00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:23,860
which we'll talk about now one thing

210
00:09:26,790 --> 00:09:25,210
I've noticed looking at the background

211
00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:26,800
dr. Salzburg and I heard of him I

212
00:09:32,220 --> 00:09:28,870
remember the book he was also a

213
00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:32,230
scientific advisor for the national

214
00:09:35,790 --> 00:09:33,970
investigations committee on aerial

215
00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:35,800
phenomena that was major Donnell Kehoe's

216
00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:38,050
organization maybe he has and we're not

217
00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:39,730
promising this ladies and gentlemen

218
00:09:47,100 --> 00:09:42,970
maybe he has remembrances of major

219
00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:47,110
Keyhoe will be interesting to hear Hey

220
00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:50,050
dr. Frank Salisbury coming up next the

221
00:09:57,060 --> 00:09:51,850
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

222
00:10:02,230 --> 00:09:59,430
[Music]

223
00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:02,240
as you know the power cast is brought to

224
00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:04,490
you by audible.com the internet's

225
00:10:09,580 --> 00:10:06,770
leading provider of audiobooks with more

226
00:10:11,710 --> 00:10:09,590
than 75,000 downloadable titles across

227
00:10:13,780 --> 00:10:11,720
all types of literature and featuring

228
00:10:15,790 --> 00:10:13,790
audio versions of many new york times

229
00:10:18,490 --> 00:10:15,800
bestsellers for listeners of the power

230
00:10:20,770 --> 00:10:18,500
cast audible.com is offering a free

231
00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:20,780
audiobook to give you a chance to try

232
00:10:25,180 --> 00:10:22,970
out their service one book to consider

233
00:10:28,030 --> 00:10:25,190
for example is above top secret the

234
00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:28,040
worldwide UFO cover-up by Timothy good

235
00:10:32,020 --> 00:10:29,690
to me see good as you know has been a

236
00:10:33,850 --> 00:10:32,030
guest on the power cast yet another book

237
00:10:37,060 --> 00:10:33,860
worth considering from audible.com is

238
00:10:39,430 --> 00:10:37,070
lies and deception UFOs and the secret

239
00:10:41,650 --> 00:10:39,440
agenda from Timothy good once again and

240
00:10:43,990 --> 00:10:41,660
also from our old friend Nick Pope as

241
00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:44,000
you know Nick Pope has also been on the

242
00:10:47,590 --> 00:10:46,370
power cast this is another book that

243
00:10:50,350 --> 00:10:47,600
you're definitely going to want to check

244
00:10:51,490 --> 00:10:50,360
out for this book or another free audio

245
00:11:04,210 --> 00:10:51,500
book of your choice

246
00:11:05,890 --> 00:11:04,220
go to audiblepodcast.com/tekzilla enough

247
00:11:08,260 --> 00:11:05,900
while to retire and live out their

248
00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:08,270
golden years unfortunately with taxation

249
00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:11,090
the rising cost of food energy housing

250
00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:13,310
and medical many retirees are forced to

251
00:11:17,380 --> 00:11:15,290
live below the poverty line is this a

252
00:11:18,910 --> 00:11:17,390
fly free enterprise or is our monetary

253
00:11:21,340 --> 00:11:18,920
unit we call the Federal Reserve Note

254
00:11:23,290 --> 00:11:21,350
forcing us into perpetual debt ensuring

255
00:11:24,850 --> 00:11:23,300
inflation in higher taxes these

256
00:11:26,770 --> 00:11:24,860
questions and more can be answered by

257
00:11:28,780 --> 00:11:26,780
reading G Edward Griffin book the

258
00:11:30,460 --> 00:11:28,790
creature from Jekyll Island congressman

259
00:11:33,190 --> 00:11:30,470
Ron Paul states it's what every American

260
00:11:35,380 --> 00:11:33,200
needs to know about central bank power a

261
00:11:37,870 --> 00:11:35,390
gripping adventure into the secret world

262
00:11:39,670 --> 00:11:37,880
of international banking cartel hi this

263
00:11:41,830 --> 00:11:39,680
is Ted Anderson I will give a silver

264
00:11:55,530 --> 00:11:41,840
dollar from the early 1900's to anyone

265
00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:04,630
1-866-968-7842 listen to this now going

266
00:12:08,650 --> 00:12:06,770
green can save money go green and save

267
00:12:10,330 --> 00:12:08,660
money by giving life to your used

268
00:12:10,670 --> 00:12:10,340
batteries by charging them with the

269
00:12:12,680 --> 00:12:10,680
Rinne

270
00:12:14,210 --> 00:12:12,690
sighs charger the Renaissance charger

271
00:12:15,860 --> 00:12:14,220
uses a new revolutionary battery

272
00:12:17,660 --> 00:12:15,870
charging technology that effectively

273
00:12:20,090 --> 00:12:17,670
extends the life of new batteries and

274
00:12:22,250 --> 00:12:20,100
gives new life to use batteries invented

275
00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:22,260
by legendary audio genius John Bedini

276
00:12:26,690 --> 00:12:24,570
this unique and patented charging system

277
00:12:28,070 --> 00:12:26,700
rejuvenates the electrochemical plate

278
00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:28,080
structure in the battery without

279
00:12:32,870 --> 00:12:30,690
additives increasing capacity and

280
00:12:34,430 --> 00:12:32,880
maintaining cell integrity Renaissance

281
00:12:36,500 --> 00:12:34,440
charge offers a full line of products

282
00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:36,510
made in the USA for all types and sizes

283
00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:38,970
of batteries find out why our customers

284
00:12:42,829 --> 00:12:41,010
tell us the Renaissance charger is the

285
00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:42,839
only battery charger they will ever use

286
00:12:46,550 --> 00:12:44,250
save your money

287
00:12:48,350 --> 00:12:46,560
save the environment visit us online at

288
00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:48,360
our - charge com

289
00:12:55,910 --> 00:12:53,850
2:08 seven seven two four five one four

290
00:12:58,220 --> 00:12:55,920
that's two zero eight seven seven two

291
00:13:02,000 --> 00:12:58,230
four five one four be a part of the

292
00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:02,010
revolution today you may not be thinking

293
00:13:06,110 --> 00:13:03,810
of lead and brass as precious metal

294
00:13:08,449 --> 00:13:06,120
investment and you may not be thinking

295
00:13:10,910 --> 00:13:08,459
about ammo when we say battery station

296
00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:10,920
but you should because battery station

297
00:13:14,449 --> 00:13:12,450
has a large inventory of the most

298
00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:14,459
popular calibers just go to battery

299
00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:16,410
station comm and click on ammunition

300
00:13:20,630 --> 00:13:18,690
there you'll see where Second Amendment

301
00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:20,640
Patriots invest in precious metals for

302
00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:23,730
three eighty nine millimeter 40 Cal 45

303
00:13:31,610 --> 00:13:29,610
ACP 38 special 357 Magnum to to 336 308

304
00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:31,620
and more be sure to look for the October

305
00:13:36,980 --> 00:13:34,410
GCM specials in blue boxes - at battery

306
00:13:39,290 --> 00:13:36,990
station comm we shoot what we sell and

307
00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:39,300
all battery station ammo is all factory

308
00:13:43,550 --> 00:13:41,760
no reloads you'll enjoy great customer

309
00:13:46,070 --> 00:13:43,560
service great prices and fast shipping

310
00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:46,080
plus all orders over $30 will receive a

311
00:13:49,190 --> 00:13:48,570
free patriotic flag so invest in gold

312
00:13:50,810 --> 00:13:49,200
and silver

313
00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:50,820
but don't forget about investing in LED

314
00:13:56,660 --> 00:13:53,730
and brass - at battery station comm call

315
00:14:01,040 --> 00:13:56,670
four one seven two five seven 77 99 or

316
00:14:03,290 --> 00:14:01,050
go to battery station comm today the GC

317
00:14:07,150 --> 00:14:03,300
and radio network providing the world

318
00:14:15,009 --> 00:14:07,160
with hard-hitting talk radio G C

319
00:14:18,310 --> 00:14:15,019
great talk radio starts here you never

320
00:14:20,980 --> 00:14:18,870
[Applause]

321
00:14:24,070 --> 00:14:20,990
[Music]

322
00:14:27,370 --> 00:14:24,080
we have dr. Frank Salisbury who is

323
00:14:29,110 --> 00:14:27,380
author of UFO books UFO investigator our

324
00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:29,120
real honest-to-goodness scientist

325
00:14:33,130 --> 00:14:31,010
someone has been a scientific advisor

326
00:14:35,170 --> 00:14:33,140
for both NICAP and a pro in the early

327
00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:35,180
days I'm Jean Steinberg you're in the

328
00:14:40,630 --> 00:14:37,490
power cast our co-host is Chris O'Brien

329
00:14:43,570 --> 00:14:40,640
dr. Salsbury welcome to the power cast

330
00:14:46,510 --> 00:14:43,580
you don't do the radio show circuit do

331
00:14:50,110 --> 00:14:46,520
you no but since I have a new book I

332
00:14:55,750 --> 00:14:50,120
wouldn't mind if I did okay do tell tell

333
00:14:57,970 --> 00:14:55,760
us about the book well in July a book

334
00:15:00,700 --> 00:14:57,980
was published entitled a Utah UFO

335
00:15:03,910 --> 00:15:00,710
display and it's a kind of a second

336
00:15:07,890 --> 00:15:03,920
edition of a book that was published in

337
00:15:11,050 --> 00:15:07,900
1974 which is quite a while ago

338
00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:11,060
thirty-six years I guess which I read in

339
00:15:15,190 --> 00:15:12,410
high school actually when it came out

340
00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:15,200
did you really I did indeed and that's

341
00:15:20,950 --> 00:15:16,490
that's wonderful

342
00:15:23,980 --> 00:15:20,960
it's basically a matter of interviews

343
00:15:26,650 --> 00:15:23,990
with people in northeastern Utah had a

344
00:15:29,650 --> 00:15:26,660
big area called the Uintah Basin it's

345
00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:29,660
about it's surrounded by mountains with

346
00:15:35,590 --> 00:15:31,490
the Green River cutting through going

347
00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:35,600
south but otherwise a big basin seventy

348
00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:38,720
miles across and I don't know 20 or 30

349
00:15:46,450 --> 00:15:41,690
miles north and south 70 miles east and

350
00:15:50,110 --> 00:15:46,460
west and for some at this point still

351
00:15:52,900 --> 00:15:50,120
unknown reason there was a lot of UFO

352
00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:52,910
activity out there in the mid-60s and

353
00:16:01,930 --> 00:15:57,530
going into the mid 70s and continuing

354
00:16:06,460 --> 00:16:01,940
ever since but it is somewhat less

355
00:16:10,060 --> 00:16:06,470
intense level of the usual kind of UFO

356
00:16:11,740 --> 00:16:10,070
sightings the big object flat on the

357
00:16:13,780 --> 00:16:11,750
bottom with lights flashing around the

358
00:16:17,770 --> 00:16:13,790
edge and the dome on top and that sort

359
00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:17,780
of thing on the other hand there's a

360
00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:19,730
ranch out there which a lot of people

361
00:16:25,660 --> 00:16:23,210
now call the skinwalker ranch and

362
00:16:29,890 --> 00:16:25,670
there's lots of activity going on there

363
00:16:32,950 --> 00:16:29,900
and it went well beyond just big objects

364
00:16:35,710 --> 00:16:32,960
in the sky and and went to

365
00:16:40,060 --> 00:16:35,720
strange creatures and little orbs flying

366
00:16:44,350 --> 00:16:40,070
around and portals that black objects

367
00:16:46,060 --> 00:16:44,360
went in and out of and it's a very

368
00:16:48,940 --> 00:16:46,070
interesting situation it's very

369
00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:48,950
different from the way it had been way

370
00:16:55,090 --> 00:16:50,930
back when I first interviewed people in

371
00:16:57,730 --> 00:16:55,100
the late 1960s so it seemed like it

372
00:17:00,220 --> 00:16:57,740
would be a good time to update the book

373
00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:00,230
I although I had been inactive in the

374
00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:04,010
field for a couple of decades beginning

375
00:17:11,290 --> 00:17:08,809
in about 1980 mostly because I was I

376
00:17:14,410 --> 00:17:11,300
have to saw myself losing some

377
00:17:18,010 --> 00:17:14,420
scientific objectivity as I began to

378
00:17:21,819 --> 00:17:18,020
relate the whole phenomenon to my

379
00:17:24,010 --> 00:17:21,829
religion but I came back and I'm trying

380
00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:24,020
to be as scientific as possible well

381
00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:25,970
that's an interesting thing too which is

382
00:17:31,690 --> 00:17:28,640
the fact of the matter is that in the

383
00:17:33,700 --> 00:17:31,700
UFO field people seem to come and go I

384
00:17:35,530 --> 00:17:33,710
did that you know I started when I was

385
00:17:37,630 --> 00:17:35,540
11 years old I read a book by major

386
00:17:41,140 --> 00:17:37,640
Donald Kehoe flying saucers from outer

387
00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:41,150
space my late brother left that book of

388
00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:43,130
library book on his coffee table I

389
00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:49,450
incidentally I just read that book about

390
00:17:58,360 --> 00:17:55,250
a month ago I bought a reprint and

391
00:18:00,700 --> 00:17:58,370
probably well I was gonna say it was

392
00:18:02,380 --> 00:18:00,710
just printed by offset or something but

393
00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:02,390
I think somebody had a copy yet cuz I

394
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:05,690
had too many mistakes to have been a

395
00:18:10,270 --> 00:18:07,760
copy of the original anyway I did read

396
00:18:13,210 --> 00:18:10,280
it it was interesting published in 1950

397
00:18:14,860 --> 00:18:13,220
I think exactly and that's interesting

398
00:18:16,900 --> 00:18:14,870
too I wondered you know with something

399
00:18:20,590 --> 00:18:16,910
like that maybe it's just a matter of

400
00:18:22,450 --> 00:18:20,600
the fact that the book was out of

401
00:18:25,570 --> 00:18:22,460
copyright so people could just reproduce

402
00:18:28,810 --> 00:18:25,580
it that could be I don't know but I saw

403
00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:28,820
an ad for it and I sent in my money I

404
00:18:35,770 --> 00:18:31,970
guess and it was interesting to read it

405
00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:35,780
to see that in in many ways things have

406
00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:38,690
hardly changed since 1950 and we're

407
00:18:46,050 --> 00:18:42,650
still thinking the government has big

408
00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:46,060
secret files and they probably do

409
00:18:52,110 --> 00:18:49,530
we're still thinking I think Kehoe said

410
00:18:53,790 --> 00:18:52,120
well in the next year - it's all gonna

411
00:18:58,910 --> 00:18:53,800
be made public the government is going

412
00:19:01,580 --> 00:18:58,920
to tell us all the good stuff and people

413
00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:01,590
yeah he was saying this in the 1950s

414
00:19:08,550 --> 00:19:06,370
yeah now it's 2010 and we now have a

415
00:19:11,100 --> 00:19:08,560
group of people called well they're in a

416
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:11,110
movement called Exopolitics and they are

417
00:19:15,690 --> 00:19:13,450
saying the same thing now have you

418
00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:15,700
gotten any observations about this

419
00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:17,530
Exopolitics movement do you think

420
00:19:23,490 --> 00:19:19,930
they're just basically broken records or

421
00:19:25,770 --> 00:19:23,500
what no I haven't I can't really comment

422
00:19:30,570 --> 00:19:25,780
on it except to say that I went to the

423
00:19:34,010 --> 00:19:30,580
the last to MUFON annual conferences

424
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:34,020
over they were both held in Denver and

425
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:39,010
the speakers were among the Illuminati

426
00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:44,650
of the UFO research business first thing

427
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:46,480
you use the word the Illuminati of the

428
00:19:52,650 --> 00:19:50,650
UFO research business I never used that

429
00:19:55,380 --> 00:19:52,660
before I was pretty proud of myself you

430
00:19:59,250 --> 00:19:55,390
know what watch it so this way somebody

431
00:20:01,590 --> 00:19:59,260
doesn't steal it okay but anyway a

432
00:20:04,110 --> 00:20:01,600
number of them said well it won't be

433
00:20:06,180 --> 00:20:04,120
long until them the government comes

434
00:20:08,220 --> 00:20:06,190
clean and we all know what's been going

435
00:20:10,740 --> 00:20:08,230
on I mean they'd I don't know about the

436
00:20:12,930 --> 00:20:10,750
organization that you mentioned that but

437
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:12,940
that's a there's many people out there

438
00:20:18,150 --> 00:20:16,930
that are talking that way still and I

439
00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:18,160
don't know how long they'll talk that

440
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:21,130
way I guess I'm not really expecting

441
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:26,080
that to happen I think there's no doubt

442
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:28,930
that the government has a great deal of

443
00:20:35,940 --> 00:20:33,850
information and I don't think they have

444
00:20:37,620 --> 00:20:35,950
rationalized it all the way I think they

445
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:37,630
know that there's a very strange

446
00:20:44,430 --> 00:20:40,690
phenomenon going on but I think that the

447
00:20:48,090 --> 00:20:44,440
very strange phenomenon is intelligent

448
00:20:50,580 --> 00:20:48,100
enough to I don't know say it I want to

449
00:20:55,020 --> 00:20:50,590
say have control over over what we do

450
00:20:56,790 --> 00:20:55,030
but that sounds like power over the mind

451
00:20:59,370 --> 00:20:56,800
and I'm not sure that's the case I think

452
00:21:02,520 --> 00:20:59,380
they're just the intelligence

453
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:02,530
so we're dealing with this is just very

454
00:21:12,180 --> 00:21:06,960
intelligent and able to manipulate the

455
00:21:15,540 --> 00:21:12,190
public and what people think it's an

456
00:21:17,310 --> 00:21:15,550
interesting phenomenon well at the very

457
00:21:19,470 --> 00:21:17,320
least it's ephemeral and is able it's

458
00:21:22,980 --> 00:21:19,480
smart enough to keep step or two maybe

459
00:21:24,420 --> 00:21:22,990
three ahead of us so yeah I've always

460
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:24,430
said the government knows a lot more

461
00:21:30,300 --> 00:21:25,930
than we do that's why they're a lot more

462
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:30,310
confused than we are right there there

463
00:21:33,930 --> 00:21:32,290
has to be the reason why the government

464
00:21:35,790 --> 00:21:33,940
is confused but they're confused about

465
00:21:37,410 --> 00:21:35,800
so many things that's an interesting

466
00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:37,420
thing an interesting dichotomy near

467
00:21:41,730 --> 00:21:39,370
somebody who has been you know at this

468
00:21:43,380 --> 00:21:41,740
for such a long time do you think we

469
00:21:45,060 --> 00:21:43,390
even believe the government if they came

470
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:45,070
out and said you know E cheese here

471
00:21:49,890 --> 00:21:48,400
assuming its et ETS here why should we

472
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:49,900
believe them we don't believe the

473
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:51,280
government we distrust the government

474
00:21:58,260 --> 00:21:55,330
these days that's basically truly except

475
00:22:01,890 --> 00:21:58,270
that a lot of people would like to

476
00:22:04,410 --> 00:22:01,900
believe it and maybe on that basis they

477
00:22:07,730 --> 00:22:04,420
would accept it I don't know that's

478
00:22:10,890 --> 00:22:07,740
religious validation you you know yeah

479
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:10,900
you know the statistics had something

480
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:13,570
like usually hovering around fifty

481
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:17,410
percent of the population says they

482
00:22:24,690 --> 00:22:19,930
believe in UFOs I hate that phrase

483
00:22:28,170 --> 00:22:24,700
because it has implications that I don't

484
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:28,180
like it of blind faith I guess and and

485
00:22:33,570 --> 00:22:31,450
also nuts and bolts spacecraft from

486
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:33,580
other world so those those two things

487
00:22:38,700 --> 00:22:36,210
are implied when they say yeah I believe

488
00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:38,710
I'll tell you what I believe that we

489
00:22:44,190 --> 00:22:40,510
have to break for an announcement here

490
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:44,200
from our lives yes thank you dr. frank

491
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:46,570
salzburg joining us the co-hosts Chris

492
00:22:50,970 --> 00:22:49,330
O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're in the

493
00:22:57,170 --> 00:22:50,980
para cast

494
00:23:02,210 --> 00:22:59,740
[Music]

495
00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:02,220
okay neighbors here's the problem

496
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:04,110
face to face business meetings with

497
00:23:08,990 --> 00:23:06,330
clients and colleagues are always going

498
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,000
to be important but business travel is a

499
00:23:14,090 --> 00:23:11,520
hassle that's often a complete waste of

500
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:14,100
money well here's a solution for you do

501
00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:17,490
more travel less with goto meeting goto

502
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,320
meeting is an award-winning online

503
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:21,360
meeting service brought to you by citrix

504
00:23:25,700 --> 00:23:23,730
with just a click host sales

505
00:23:28,279 --> 00:23:25,710
presentations training sessions or

506
00:23:30,890 --> 00:23:28,289
product demos right from your own desk

507
00:23:33,470 --> 00:23:30,900
avoid the hassle of traveling and still

508
00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:33,480
exceed your sales goals plus goto

509
00:23:39,980 --> 00:23:36,990
meeting is just $49 a month for

510
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:39,990
unlimited online meetings plus voice

511
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,450
over IP and phone conferencing is

512
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:44,640
included my listeners can try goto

513
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:47,610
meeting free for 45 days for this

514
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:49,770
special offer visit goto meeting.com

515
00:23:57,020 --> 00:23:53,490
slash podcast once again go to meeting

516
00:24:03,289 --> 00:23:57,030
free for 45 days visit goto meeting.com

517
00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:03,299
slash podcast hi I'm mark Craig head

518
00:24:07,220 --> 00:24:05,100
founder of crossbreed holsters I

519
00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:07,230
designed our top selling holster the

520
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:09,659
super tuck deluxe to solve the problems

521
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:12,090
of being poked pinched and gouged while

522
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:14,370
carrying concealed the super tuck deluxe

523
00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:16,890
is the most comfortable most concealable

524
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:19,110
holster on the market today we offer a

525
00:24:23,659 --> 00:24:20,880
two week free trial and a lifetime

526
00:24:24,830 --> 00:24:23,669
warranty visit us at crossbreed holsters

527
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:24,840
dot-com

528
00:24:34,250 --> 00:24:32,250
go silver for cheap want to use solar

529
00:24:36,110 --> 00:24:34,260
power but the price is too high now you

530
00:24:38,539 --> 00:24:36,120
can build your own solar panels for less

531
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:38,549
than $200 at one to three cheap solar

532
00:24:42,620 --> 00:24:40,890
comm don't laugh we've sold over forty

533
00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:42,630
five thousand solar do-it-yourself kits

534
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:44,520
watch the step-by-step videos that even

535
00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:46,650
non handyman types can use we offer a

536
00:24:51,230 --> 00:24:49,110
60-day money-back guarantee go to 1 2 3

537
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:51,240
cheap solar comm or call eight hundred

538
00:24:54,770 --> 00:24:52,890
seven one three zero four eight six

539
00:24:56,330 --> 00:24:54,780
eight hundred seven one three zero four

540
00:24:58,130 --> 00:24:56,340
eight six reduce your foreign oil

541
00:25:01,159 --> 00:24:58,140
dependency when you go green with one

542
00:25:03,020 --> 00:25:01,169
two three cheap solar calm we all know

543
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:03,030
that berkey water purification systems

544
00:25:06,409 --> 00:25:04,530
are the most trusted name in water

545
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:06,419
filtration as an authorized Berkey

546
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,250
dealer for over five years and serving

547
00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:10,080
thousands of satisfied customers

548
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:11,940
the Berkey guy offers amazing

549
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:13,289
specials for berkey water filtration

550
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:15,690
systems the Berkey light systems include

551
00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:17,730
a set of self-sterilizing INRI cleanable

552
00:25:21,619 --> 00:25:19,620
black purification elements that purify

553
00:25:23,810 --> 00:25:21,629
water by removing chlorine pathogenic

554
00:25:25,730 --> 00:25:23,820
bacteria cysts and parasites to non

555
00:25:27,409 --> 00:25:25,740
detectable levels and remove harmful

556
00:25:29,779 --> 00:25:27,419
chemicals such as herbicides and

557
00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:29,789
pesticides order the Berkey light system

558
00:25:33,230 --> 00:25:31,529
today complete with two black per key

559
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:33,240
elements for only two hundred and nine

560
00:25:37,340 --> 00:25:35,129
dollars and the burka guide will include

561
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:37,350
three sport murky water bottles and ship

562
00:25:41,629 --> 00:25:39,570
everything to you free of charge that's

563
00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:41,639
right three sport berkey water bottles

564
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:43,769
and free shipping an eighty seven dollar

565
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,320
value yours free called the burka guy at

566
00:25:50,779 --> 00:25:48,240
one eight seventy seven eight eight six

567
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:50,789
three six five three that's one eight

568
00:25:55,940 --> 00:25:53,250
seven seven eight eight six three six

569
00:26:00,440 --> 00:25:55,950
five three or order online at Gober Keep

570
00:26:02,299 --> 00:26:00,450
Calm let's go burqa calm today question

571
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:02,309
well would you rather drink acidic water

572
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:03,840
which burns holes in your body and

573
00:26:08,029 --> 00:26:06,090
causes loss of bone mass or alkaline

574
00:26:10,220 --> 00:26:08,039
water which promotes high energy and

575
00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:10,230
vibrant health the answer is clear and

576
00:26:13,879 --> 00:26:11,940
if you're drinking acidic water you're

577
00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:13,889
helping cancer cells and bacteria to

578
00:26:18,740 --> 00:26:16,169
grow out of control Alka vision plasma

579
00:26:21,169 --> 00:26:18,750
pH drops combine a unique formula of the

580
00:26:23,299 --> 00:26:21,179
most alkaline minerals using plasma pH

581
00:26:25,639 --> 00:26:23,309
drops is the best way to alkalize your

582
00:26:27,889 --> 00:26:25,649
water and help you get rid of acid and

583
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:27,899
regain your health and energy simply put

584
00:26:32,389 --> 00:26:30,000
10 drops in the water you drink to raise

585
00:26:34,340 --> 00:26:32,399
the pH to a healthy alkaline level most

586
00:26:36,529 --> 00:26:34,350
experts agree that the water you drink

587
00:26:39,529 --> 00:26:36,539
should be at a pH level of 8 or higher

588
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:39,539
disease organisms like bacteria viruses

589
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:41,850
or cancer cannot survive in an alkaline

590
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:44,220
high pH environment order your bottle of

591
00:26:49,999 --> 00:26:47,039
alkaviva plasma pH drops now by going

592
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:50,009
directly to alcove in calm that's al k a

593
00:27:01,220 --> 00:26:53,730
vision calm or by calling 2 6 9 4 0 9

594
00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:01,230
1776 again 2 6 9 4 0 9 1776 on air

595
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:08,820
online and on demand we are the gcn

596
00:27:16,999 --> 00:27:15,570
network we want to hear from you if you

597
00:27:20,539 --> 00:27:17,009
have a comment or question about the

598
00:27:21,289 --> 00:27:20,549
pair cast send it to news at Lapera cast

599
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:21,299
calm

600
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,490
don't forget to visit our famous pair of

601
00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:28,799
cast community forums at forum dot

602
00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:31,769
Lapera cast com get in on all the action

603
00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:38,130
at forum dot the pair cast calm you

604
00:27:41,509 --> 00:27:39,809
notice the rhythm with which we do that

605
00:27:43,610 --> 00:27:41,519
you know it's kind of like the rhythm if

606
00:27:46,999 --> 00:27:43,620
you ever seen the TV show castle and you

607
00:27:49,610 --> 00:27:47,009
have you know okay this is TV show and

608
00:27:51,769 --> 00:27:49,620
ABC Castle its involves this guy who

609
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:51,779
plays a mystery writer and he works with

610
00:27:56,860 --> 00:27:54,720
this woman who's a police detective and

611
00:28:00,529 --> 00:27:56,870
may have this tremendous rapport and

612
00:28:03,379 --> 00:28:00,539
apparently took 120 auditions of

613
00:28:04,850 --> 00:28:03,389
actresses to find somebody who work with

614
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:04,860
a male star and have this kind of

615
00:28:10,639 --> 00:28:08,159
repartee in this charisma and listen

616
00:28:12,529 --> 00:28:10,649
Chris and I you know we've only met once

617
00:28:14,060 --> 00:28:12,539
and we're still doing this great kind of

618
00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:14,070
thing here where I say you're in and he

619
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:15,870
just you know gets right in there and he

620
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:17,850
identified the name of the show dr.

621
00:28:24,740 --> 00:28:22,370
Frank Salisbury has not made the UFO or

622
00:28:26,269 --> 00:28:24,750
paranormal radio show circuit although

623
00:28:28,820 --> 00:28:26,279
of course he's come out with a new

624
00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:28,830
edition of his book so now he has to do

625
00:28:34,399 --> 00:28:31,320
it he's forced into it now in the early

626
00:28:35,539 --> 00:28:34,409
days you know back in the 50s and 60s

627
00:28:38,110 --> 00:28:35,549
when you're getting involved in this

628
00:28:41,090 --> 00:28:38,120
thing at that particular point in time

629
00:28:43,999 --> 00:28:41,100
scientists even now scientists couldn't

630
00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:44,009
possibly take UFO research seriously but

631
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:46,169
you became an advisor for nightcap and

632
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:49,110
also for a crow how did you get involved

633
00:28:53,930 --> 00:28:51,690
with that the way I got involved was

634
00:28:59,899 --> 00:28:53,940
through a term paper that I wrote at

635
00:29:02,509 --> 00:28:59,909
Caltech I graduated with my PhD in 1954

636
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:02,519
for technically 55 because they didn't

637
00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:05,370
have a graduation at the end of August I

638
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,860
was taking a minor in geochemistry and

639
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:10,080
we had to write term papers each quarter

640
00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:11,490
that's all we had to do we didn't take

641
00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:15,710
any tests on the quarter concerned the

642
00:29:22,050 --> 00:29:19,710
solar system and the earth from a broad

643
00:29:24,450 --> 00:29:22,060
standpoint before we got done

644
00:29:27,150 --> 00:29:24,460
weights and coal deposits and things

645
00:29:29,730 --> 00:29:27,160
like that and so I decided to write

646
00:29:33,060 --> 00:29:29,740
about life on Mars and that became a

647
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:33,070
hobby and and eventually I wrote an

648
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:36,250
article entitled Martian biology that

649
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:38,530
was published in science magazine even

650
00:29:46,050 --> 00:29:42,850
with a cover photos of Mars and the

651
00:29:48,090 --> 00:29:46,060
whole works everything in it

652
00:29:50,670 --> 00:29:48,100
incidentally turned out to be wrong

653
00:29:53,070 --> 00:29:50,680
after we got the Mariners and things

654
00:29:57,210 --> 00:29:53,080
like that where we really got the facts

655
00:30:00,060 --> 00:29:57,220
about Mars but I got a letter and a copy

656
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:00,070
of coral or instance book and I read it

657
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,910
and thought and that was in 1962 and I

658
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:05,440
thought hey maybe there's something

659
00:30:10,260 --> 00:30:08,080
going on here with these UFOs and I was

660
00:30:14,250 --> 00:30:10,270
hooked from them till like I say about

661
00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:14,260
the 19 right around 1980 when I had

662
00:30:21,150 --> 00:30:17,590
successfully backed off a bit I did

663
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:21,160
write a foreword to a UFO book in 1993 I

664
00:30:30,930 --> 00:30:24,970
think it was but otherwise backed off

665
00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:30,940
until about 2000 when Tom Julian came

666
00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:36,520
and interviewed me on for a project sign

667
00:30:40,650 --> 00:30:39,310
oral history type thing this is an

668
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:40,660
interesting thing I want to bring up

669
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:42,970
here coral Luhrmann's and Jim and coral

670
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,770
Lorenzen ran this organization the

671
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:46,720
aerial phenomena research organization

672
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:49,570
I had run-ins with coral Lorenzen we

673
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:52,450
didn't get along I don't want to go into

674
00:31:01,260 --> 00:30:56,290
the answers why she was a crusty woman

675
00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:01,270
very you know lady right but maybe

676
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:03,070
that's what we needed for the UFO field

677
00:31:09,270 --> 00:31:06,370
now that's an interesting dichotomy here

678
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:09,280
you were associated with nycap which was

679
00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:11,290
the organization that major Donald Kehoe

680
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:12,190
was involved in

681
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:17,970
but after Kehoe left right right I was

682
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:22,570
just related I got into the field via

683
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:24,850
coral or ensign and very soon of course

684
00:31:31,910 --> 00:31:29,510
her husband Jim and there was a bit of

685
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:31,920
competition to put it nicely between a

686
00:31:36,860 --> 00:31:34,500
prawn nightcap and so I didn't have a

687
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:36,870
lot to do with my cap I was on a pro

688
00:31:48,860 --> 00:31:46,850
technical get it taken her title but for

689
00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:48,870
the Atomic Energy Commission I replaced

690
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:52,020
a man who went on sabbatical for a year

691
00:31:56,390 --> 00:31:53,100
and I thought be an interesting

692
00:32:00,140 --> 00:31:56,400
experience and I did and and then I was

693
00:32:03,770 --> 00:32:00,150
contacted by Jack a cough who had just

694
00:32:06,650 --> 00:32:03,780
bought what was left of nya cap and we

695
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:06,660
became friends and was on a couple of

696
00:32:16,610 --> 00:32:10,770
radio shows of his and and then

697
00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:16,620
eventually this this TV show with Donald

698
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:21,150
Kehoe hosted by Martin and Rowan and on

699
00:32:25,370 --> 00:32:23,250
the day that Nixon resigned it was an

700
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:25,380
interesting time to be in a TV station

701
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,810
nobody gave a hoot about us or what we

702
00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:30,000
had to say they they were running around

703
00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:31,590
waiting for the official announcement

704
00:32:37,340 --> 00:32:35,700
from Nixon everybody this story you know

705
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:37,350
let me give everybody the story before

706
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:38,820
we go back to this somebody just kind of

707
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:41,610
interrupts my story about the Watergate

708
00:32:49,730 --> 00:32:45,720
era that my first wife and I spent the

709
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:49,740
night at my uncle's condo at the

710
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:53,970
Watergate complex in the 1970s a week

711
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:03,860
hmm okay so basically doing a UFO show

712
00:33:10,820 --> 00:33:07,610
with that political hot potato occurring

713
00:33:14,390 --> 00:33:10,830
nobody paid attention nobody paid any

714
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:14,400
attention but interestingly enough the

715
00:33:19,340 --> 00:33:16,620
Atomic Energy Commission located out in

716
00:33:22,970 --> 00:33:19,350
Germantown about 25 miles out of the

717
00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:22,980
center of Washington recorded it for me

718
00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:25,830
I've never played it back I've got a

719
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:28,620
sitting on a tapes and it probably never

720
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,450
will die because you probably need a

721
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:32,880
results in now to play it because those

722
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:35,490
machines are obsolete that's right but

723
00:33:41,580 --> 00:33:40,110
anyway the point is the Atomic Energy

724
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:41,590
Commission

725
00:33:52,010 --> 00:33:46,510
people didn't call me crazy and that

726
00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:52,020
brings up another point I got into NASA

727
00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:56,169
funding for our research very early 1960

728
00:34:00,779 --> 00:33:58,570
very very shortly after NASA was

729
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:00,789
organized I was told that we were one of

730
00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:05,110
three projects in biology the first ones

731
00:34:11,220 --> 00:34:08,889
that were funded by NASA and saw there

732
00:34:15,899 --> 00:34:11,230
were meetings and committees and all

733
00:34:17,879 --> 00:34:15,909
kinds of things and when it became known

734
00:34:20,070 --> 00:34:17,889
that that I was interested in UFOs

735
00:34:25,379 --> 00:34:20,080
they'd asked me to talk about it and I

736
00:34:27,329 --> 00:34:25,389
wouldn't I gave many talks I I just was

737
00:34:30,930 --> 00:34:27,339
reviewing my meetings and trips files

738
00:34:34,099 --> 00:34:30,940
and it was amazing to me how many talks

739
00:34:37,290 --> 00:34:34,109
I had given and they were always

740
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:37,300
positively received mostly I think

741
00:34:43,889 --> 00:34:40,240
because I really worked hard at being

742
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:43,899
object even and not sounding like a nut

743
00:34:50,730 --> 00:34:47,649
and it was just kind of entertainment

744
00:34:52,129 --> 00:34:50,740
for the meeting you know of something to

745
00:34:56,430 --> 00:34:52,139
do when we're through with the

746
00:34:58,380 --> 00:34:56,440
deliberations of the day so basically

747
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:58,390
you were basically the comedy relief

748
00:35:02,160 --> 00:34:59,520
yeah

749
00:35:05,250 --> 00:35:02,170
people didn't laugh they took it

750
00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:05,260
seriously they they considered hey maybe

751
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,700
there is something going on out there

752
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:08,320
but that's not our field and we'll go on

753
00:35:12,660 --> 00:35:09,970
doing what we're doing and but it's nice

754
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:12,670
to hear the story from this guy that's

755
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:14,410
involved you know that that was sort of

756
00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:17,050
the attitude that I picked up now that's

757
00:35:22,890 --> 00:35:18,670
an interesting thing about attitude here

758
00:35:25,650 --> 00:35:22,900
now in the early days scientists didn't

759
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:25,660
become involved in UFO investigation you

760
00:35:31,609 --> 00:35:28,240
know this was not a real thing of course

761
00:35:34,140 --> 00:35:31,619
we have exceptions dr. J Allen Hynek

762
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:34,150
investigated UFO cases but he debunked

763
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:36,310
them so a serious scientist here at

764
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:38,560
biologists you know what are you doing

765
00:35:44,970 --> 00:35:41,710
getting involved in this crazy quilt

766
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:44,980
work of non-scientific investigation how

767
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:45,760
were you treated

768
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:49,570
yeah well that's it I was trying to

769
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:51,280
treat it scientifically there was a

770
00:35:55,289 --> 00:35:54,490
correlation at that time with a distance

771
00:35:57,209 --> 00:35:55,299
tomorrow

772
00:36:00,509 --> 00:35:57,219
the number of sightings that closer Mars

773
00:36:02,729 --> 00:36:00,519
got the more sightings and was that pure

774
00:36:04,309 --> 00:36:02,739
psychology or was it somebody coming

775
00:36:09,779 --> 00:36:04,319
from Mars I think that was the

776
00:36:12,179 --> 00:36:09,789
implication at the time and there were

777
00:36:17,999 --> 00:36:12,189
other things it was Amy Michel over in

778
00:36:21,749 --> 00:36:18,009
France who found as sightings on a given

779
00:36:24,029 --> 00:36:21,759
night seemed to fall right along a great

780
00:36:25,229 --> 00:36:24,039
circle of the Earth's surface I'll tell

781
00:36:27,539 --> 00:36:25,239
you what I want to talking about Amy

782
00:36:29,819 --> 00:36:27,549
Michelle because he's one of those lost

783
00:36:31,439 --> 00:36:29,829
figures in UFO history had a book out

784
00:36:34,019 --> 00:36:31,449
called flying saucers in the

785
00:36:36,509 --> 00:36:34,029
straight-line mystery right that's right

786
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:36,519
I remember and we have dr. Frank

787
00:36:42,269 --> 00:36:39,130
Salisbury and we'll talk about who Amy

788
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:42,279
Michelle was and what the straight-line

789
00:36:47,069 --> 00:36:44,890
mystery signified of anything as we

790
00:36:49,529 --> 00:36:47,079
progress here the co-host is Chris

791
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,539
O'Brien I'm gene steinberger in the para

792
00:36:59,610 --> 00:36:51,280
cast

793
00:37:02,710 --> 00:36:59,620
[Music]

794
00:37:04,510 --> 00:37:02,720
fate magazine provides true reports of

795
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:04,520
the strange and unknown keep up with the

796
00:37:09,730 --> 00:37:06,770
latest on angels and miracle psychic

797
00:37:10,810 --> 00:37:09,740
phenomena ghosts UFOs life after death

798
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:10,820
and much much more

799
00:37:15,220 --> 00:37:12,770
to receive your free issue of faith

800
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:15,230
magazine call now at one eight hundred

801
00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:18,530
seven two eight two seven three zero or

802
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:22,180
visit their website at WWF at medCom

803
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:24,970
that's one eight hundred seven two eight

804
00:37:31,630 --> 00:37:27,890
twenty seven thirty what are you waiting

805
00:37:32,290 --> 00:37:31,640
for your fate awaits hi this is Tamar

806
00:37:34,330 --> 00:37:32,300
from Navy

807
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:34,340
or a domain name and web hosting company

808
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:36,170
and we really care about our customers

809
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:38,090
with domain name purchases Namecheap

810
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:40,640
offers free SSL and free Whois guard for

811
00:37:44,590 --> 00:37:42,290
a year to protect your identity from

812
00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:44,600
spammers most importantly we care about

813
00:37:49,180 --> 00:37:46,190
you if you'd like to learn more please

814
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:49,190
visit us at radio name chief comm radio

815
00:37:53,410 --> 00:37:51,530
named chief comm for web hosting and

816
00:37:57,070 --> 00:37:53,420
domain name specials you can also follow

817
00:37:59,110 --> 00:37:57,080
us on twitter at twitter.com/zeromd bars

818
00:38:02,830 --> 00:37:59,120
on facebook at facebook.com slash

819
00:38:04,930 --> 00:38:02,840
Namecheap see you online you owe the IRS

820
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:04,940
money you can't pay then listen

821
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:06,650
carefully because you already know that

822
00:38:10,990 --> 00:38:09,170
the problem won't go away by itself you

823
00:38:12,970 --> 00:38:11,000
can get help today from the leading tax

824
00:38:15,370 --> 00:38:12,980
expert in the country dan pillow

825
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:15,380
hi i'm dan pillar the IRS isn't going to

826
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:17,330
just forget about you right now the IRS

827
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:19,490
is hiring thousands of tax collectors to

828
00:38:22,780 --> 00:38:20,930
go after the link when it counts just

829
00:38:25,420 --> 00:38:22,790
like yours that's why you need to take

830
00:38:27,220 --> 00:38:25,430
action today and I can help I take a

831
00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:27,230
simple but proven approach to solving

832
00:38:30,970 --> 00:38:29,630
your tax debt problem first I stabilize

833
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:30,980
collections so you don't have to worry

834
00:38:35,050 --> 00:38:33,200
about waging Bank levies next I built a

835
00:38:36,970 --> 00:38:35,060
detailed plan to get your debt reduced

836
00:38:38,110 --> 00:38:36,980
to the fullest extent possible sometimes

837
00:38:40,270 --> 00:38:38,120
even eliminated

838
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:40,280
finally I work with you every step of

839
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:41,690
the way to get your problem solved once

840
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:43,310
and for all so call now for a free

841
00:38:48,730 --> 00:38:46,400
consultation call 1-800 three four six

842
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:48,740
six eight two nine dan pillow will solve

843
00:38:52,750 --> 00:38:51,110
your tax problem guaranteed he's helped

844
00:38:53,260 --> 00:38:52,760
thousands of people and he can help you

845
00:38:56,770 --> 00:38:53,270
too

846
00:38:59,350 --> 00:38:56,780
call us today at 834 six six eight two

847
00:39:02,140 --> 00:38:59,360
nine that's eight hundred thirty-four no

848
00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:02,150
tax Alex told you the government

849
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:03,950
announced recently that the recession is

850
00:39:08,590 --> 00:39:06,800
over it ended on June of 2009 the

851
00:39:11,230 --> 00:39:08,600
millions of Americans unable to find

852
00:39:11,740 --> 00:39:11,240
work might not agree perhaps a recession

853
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:11,750
ended

854
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:13,609
the bankers and government employees but

855
00:39:16,060 --> 00:39:15,290
for the rest of us things seemed to be

856
00:39:17,650 --> 00:39:16,070
getting worse

857
00:39:20,109 --> 00:39:17,660
gold and silver haven't heard the news

858
00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:20,119
either they've begun their long expected

859
00:39:23,710 --> 00:39:21,950
journey to the moon in addition to

860
00:39:25,450 --> 00:39:23,720
converting your shrinking dollars into

861
00:39:27,099 --> 00:39:25,460
gold and silver you should consider a

862
00:39:30,609 --> 00:39:27,109
food savings account from a foods

863
00:39:32,530 --> 00:39:30,619
directly syn vestments food is our

864
00:39:34,359 --> 00:39:32,540
greatest dependency and we know it will

865
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,369
be more precious than any financial

866
00:39:38,830 --> 00:39:36,560
resource you and your family need food

867
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:38,840
to survive a crisis and you can't eat

868
00:39:43,180 --> 00:39:41,210
paper stocks or metals alex has been

869
00:39:45,580 --> 00:39:43,190
urging you to invest in delicious easy

870
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:45,590
fix meals to enjoy now or save for long

871
00:39:49,150 --> 00:39:47,690
term this will freeze the cost your food

872
00:39:51,849 --> 00:39:49,160
what you can still afford it

873
00:39:54,940 --> 00:39:51,859
visit eat foods directly in turn ette or

874
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:54,950
call 849 five six 33

875
00:39:59,970 --> 00:39:57,770
that's a foots direct comm or 800 four

876
00:40:03,520 --> 00:39:59,980
zero nine five six thirty three

877
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:03,530
hurricanes ice storms blackouts and the

878
00:40:08,109 --> 00:40:05,570
prospect of civil unrest when the

879
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:08,119
unexpected happens will you be ready

880
00:40:12,220 --> 00:40:10,160
hundreds of concerned citizens across

881
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:12,230
America have already installed wind

882
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:13,609
generators to help protect their

883
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:15,920
families in the event of a disaster so

884
00:40:20,020 --> 00:40:18,050
act now and build your own wind

885
00:40:22,690 --> 00:40:20,030
generator with an easy to assemble kit

886
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:22,700
from wind blue power calm wind blue

887
00:40:26,770 --> 00:40:24,410
power carries the best battery-charging

888
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:26,780
wind generators and permanent magnet

889
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:29,089
alternators in the country our 12-volt

890
00:40:33,220 --> 00:40:31,010
wind generator kits are also great for

891
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:33,230
small cabins and campers and all wind

892
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:35,599
blue power kids qualify for a 30 percent

893
00:40:40,089 --> 00:40:38,450
tax credit so get your discount now go

894
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:40,099
to wi ND

895
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:44,089
b lu e power comm today and enter coupon

896
00:40:49,630 --> 00:40:46,640
code radio for five percent off or

897
00:40:51,940 --> 00:40:49,640
simply call 800 nine seven six zero zero

898
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:51,950
two six eight hundred nine seven six

899
00:40:57,550 --> 00:40:54,650
zero zero two six protect your family's

900
00:41:02,079 --> 00:40:57,560
emergency energy needs now at wind blue

901
00:41:05,710 --> 00:41:02,089
power calm america's number one source

902
00:41:12,070 --> 00:41:05,720
for independent talk radio for over

903
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:12,080
we are the gcn radio network hi the to

904
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:13,970
make Pope you're listening to the parrot

905
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,690
are the rare appearance by dr. Frank

906
00:41:22,750 --> 00:41:19,520
Salisbury who after listening to this

907
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:22,760
episode this show will never go on radio

908
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:27,290
ever again I think I'm gene Steinberg

909
00:41:30,820 --> 00:41:28,850
during the power cast the co-host is

910
00:41:33,810 --> 00:41:30,830
Chris O'Brien and one of the things he

911
00:41:36,850 --> 00:41:33,820
mentioned here was this theory about

912
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:36,860
some kind of way to catalog UFO

913
00:41:41,170 --> 00:41:39,410
sightings and find consistency so we

914
00:41:44,590 --> 00:41:41,180
have Amy Michele writes this book he's a

915
00:41:49,150 --> 00:41:44,600
French astronomer here is it or

916
00:41:50,140 --> 00:41:49,160
mathematician I'm not exactly sure what

917
00:41:57,310 --> 00:41:50,150
he was

918
00:41:59,380 --> 00:41:57,320
was a dwarf his legs were short he stood

919
00:42:02,980 --> 00:41:59,390
about four and a half feet tall maybe at

920
00:42:04,780 --> 00:42:02,990
the most I have a picture of him in my

921
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:04,790
book that I took when he came through

922
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:09,440
Utah and this is me in 1972 I think and

923
00:42:21,849 --> 00:42:14,000
and I visited him in Paris the first

924
00:42:29,050 --> 00:42:21,859
time in about 1962 and we communicated a

925
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:29,060
bit la has he's a big name in the UFO

926
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:33,440
business and he was very close to Amy

927
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:36,710
Michel I've been reading a couple of his

928
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:41,090
diary type books and he mentions Amy

929
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:43,850
over and over I think you say here

930
00:42:48,460 --> 00:42:46,910
parenthetically by the way jacques filet

931
00:42:50,380 --> 00:42:48,470
is going to be on the power cast real

932
00:42:52,660 --> 00:42:50,390
soon we're going to remember and Kris

933
00:42:54,460 --> 00:42:52,670
make a Novus please we're going to

934
00:42:56,260 --> 00:42:54,470
remember to ask about Amy Michelle okay

935
00:42:59,700 --> 00:42:56,270
so let's talk about the theory in more

936
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:59,710
detail here how did he arrive at this

937
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:02,000
material that formed the basis of this

938
00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:03,650
book flying saucers and the

939
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:06,950
straight-line mystery we collected a

940
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:09,440
bunch of cases and tried to analyze them

941
00:43:16,890 --> 00:43:13,010
see if they formed a pattern and and he

942
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:16,900
decided he did I've heard

943
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:19,450
some debunking Albert so I don't know

944
00:43:25,170 --> 00:43:23,049
what to make of it at this stage but at

945
00:43:27,209 --> 00:43:25,180
the time it was it was quite impressive

946
00:43:28,769 --> 00:43:27,219
and maybe it's still quite impressive I

947
00:43:29,959 --> 00:43:28,779
don't know whether the bunkers know what

948
00:43:35,489 --> 00:43:29,969
they're talking about or not

949
00:43:38,729 --> 00:43:35,499
incidentally I spent week before last

950
00:43:42,359 --> 00:43:38,739
with Jacques Vallee over in the UN de

951
00:43:44,459 --> 00:43:42,369
Basin interviewing some more people he

952
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:44,469
wanted to keep a kind of a low profile

953
00:43:48,420 --> 00:43:46,210
but if he's going to be on your show

954
00:43:52,259 --> 00:43:48,430
that can't be a very low profile

955
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:52,269
we will definitely ask dr. Valle about

956
00:43:58,469 --> 00:43:55,089
that and his continuing interest in the

957
00:44:01,529 --> 00:43:58,479
Uintah Basin most specifically the

958
00:44:04,469 --> 00:44:01,539
Sherman ranch yeah which he won't tell

959
00:44:07,019 --> 00:44:04,479
you much about because he signed

960
00:44:14,370 --> 00:44:07,029
non-disclosure statements with Bob

961
00:44:16,529 --> 00:44:14,380
Bigelow and he and I of course we talked

962
00:44:23,370 --> 00:44:16,539
about it quite a bit but he would not

963
00:44:27,299 --> 00:44:23,380
lose being loyal or has shown integrity

964
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:27,309
to the thing it's signed and so he

965
00:44:34,049 --> 00:44:30,729
didn't give away anything but that's

966
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,059
alright he we talked about a lot of

967
00:44:38,459 --> 00:44:36,880
interesting things well we'd like to

968
00:44:41,370 --> 00:44:38,469
hear more about those interesting things

969
00:44:43,799 --> 00:44:41,380
what what what are your feelings about

970
00:44:47,489 --> 00:44:43,809
the Uintah Basin why do you feel it is

971
00:44:50,099 --> 00:44:47,499
it seems to be a a Ground Zero sort of a

972
00:44:53,219 --> 00:44:50,109
hot spot area for this for these aerial

973
00:44:55,370 --> 00:44:53,229
object sightings and and now you know

974
00:44:59,269 --> 00:44:55,380
with the release of under the skinwalker

975
00:45:02,509 --> 00:44:59,279
apparently strange creature sightings

976
00:45:04,529 --> 00:45:02,519
cryptozoological type entities I

977
00:45:07,709 --> 00:45:04,539
personally was that I think the first

978
00:45:09,029 --> 00:45:07,719
nationally known investigator to visit

979
00:45:12,989 --> 00:45:09,039
Terry and Gwen Sherman

980
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:12,999
prior to the intense media that came out

981
00:45:17,459 --> 00:45:15,130
after the Zachman echo articles back in

982
00:45:19,739 --> 00:45:17,469
96 but why do you think that you went to

983
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:19,749
basin is such a hotbed of activity your

984
00:45:28,140 --> 00:45:24,160
book is filled with with 7080 very good

985
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:28,150
reports of unusual object sightings yeah

986
00:45:37,260 --> 00:45:32,710
back then and now Junior now has over

987
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:37,270
400 that's a tough question in a way I

988
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:42,330
think the universe really is a hotbed

989
00:45:49,260 --> 00:45:45,010
typical of other hot beds around the

990
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:49,270
world but I also think there's a strong

991
00:45:57,420 --> 00:45:53,920
effect good old Joseph jr. Hicks who was

992
00:45:59,730 --> 00:45:57,430
a science teacher in the I could think

993
00:46:03,420 --> 00:45:59,740
it was a junior high school and in the

994
00:46:07,020 --> 00:46:03,430
basin and he got the reputation of being

995
00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:07,030
the local UFO expert and so people came

996
00:46:12,210 --> 00:46:08,950
to him and gave him their stories and

997
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:12,220
that could be what's lacking in other

998
00:46:18,690 --> 00:46:15,970
places nobody to report to other than

999
00:46:21,390 --> 00:46:18,700
authorities who brush it off and ignore

1000
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:21,400
it and as a rule don't know what to do

1001
00:46:28,020 --> 00:46:24,160
about it and all junior knew to do about

1002
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:28,030
it was interview them and let them make

1003
00:46:35,070 --> 00:46:30,970
drawings and just collect data that's

1004
00:46:38,130 --> 00:46:35,080
what he did and does he he's the same

1005
00:46:41,490 --> 00:46:38,140
age I am and that's pretty old were 84

1006
00:46:45,330 --> 00:46:41,500
and he's still doing electrical work for

1007
00:46:47,610 --> 00:46:45,340
people I'm sitting around trying to

1008
00:46:49,350 --> 00:46:47,620
write an occasional book isn't it

1009
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:49,360
interesting though that nowadays of

1010
00:46:55,620 --> 00:46:52,000
course you know I was watching a TV show

1011
00:46:58,770 --> 00:46:55,630
the other day Robert Wagner of course he

1012
00:47:02,970 --> 00:46:58,780
is 80 years old and he still got the

1013
00:47:05,130 --> 00:47:02,980
twinkle in his eye yeah we can keep our

1014
00:47:10,340 --> 00:47:05,140
crank old ahead twinkle that's the stage

1015
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:10,350
in 8960 we the

1016
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:14,710
jacques palais and jr. hicks and i week

1017
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:17,200
before last went around and interviewed

1018
00:47:21,350 --> 00:47:19,090
all we could in the course of four days

1019
00:47:25,050 --> 00:47:21,360
which it turned out to not be very many

1020
00:47:27,620 --> 00:47:25,060
partly because they wouldn't be

1021
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:27,630
available while some of the ones that

1022
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:31,330
junior won to have us meet and they

1023
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:32,800
weren't available this because they

1024
00:47:37,530 --> 00:47:34,960
didn't answer the phone they're out of

1025
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:37,540
the basin or something not because they

1026
00:47:41,450 --> 00:47:40,810
didn't want to be interviewed but we did

1027
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,460
have a number

1028
00:47:50,510 --> 00:47:43,440
interviews and and they were very

1029
00:47:54,170 --> 00:47:50,520
interesting ie one question I had in my

1030
00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:54,180
mind is some of those people back then

1031
00:48:01,310 --> 00:47:58,740
that had those spectacular sightings 70

1032
00:48:03,890 --> 00:48:01,320
70s what are they doing now and if they

1033
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,900
had a lot of sightings since and we

1034
00:48:09,230 --> 00:48:05,040
visited two of them

1035
00:48:11,390 --> 00:48:09,240
Leland Meachem and Joanne Harris and it

1036
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:11,400
was interesting to me that they they

1037
00:48:18,650 --> 00:48:16,170
said no the sighting they had then was

1038
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:18,660
the first time they had had such an

1039
00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:21,810
experience and the last and that's not

1040
00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:23,640
particularly typical are a lot of people

1041
00:48:31,310 --> 00:48:28,260
around the country in the world who see

1042
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:31,320
them repeatedly and I don't know about

1043
00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:33,210
that I want to ask you about that dr.

1044
00:48:41,660 --> 00:48:37,800
Salzburg and that is of course do people

1045
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:41,670
who see UFOs are they largely people who

1046
00:48:47,060 --> 00:48:44,310
see them over and over again has there

1047
00:48:49,099 --> 00:48:47,070
been any surveys done as to how many

1048
00:48:51,770 --> 00:48:49,109
people have it happened to them one time

1049
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:51,780
which maybe too many times in some cases

1050
00:49:00,290 --> 00:48:55,520
and other people just keep seeing them

1051
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:00,300
no I don't know about surveys but that's

1052
00:49:07,250 --> 00:49:03,450
really my impression I I gave a little

1053
00:49:09,980 --> 00:49:07,260
talk to the local MUFON group last

1054
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:09,990
Saturday and and there was a guy there

1055
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:13,650
who sees him all the time and has been

1056
00:49:17,630 --> 00:49:16,380
abducted several times and so on and I

1057
00:49:21,859 --> 00:49:17,640
don't know what to make of those kind of

1058
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:21,869
stories for sure he I did kind of shy

1059
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:25,440
away from the abductions because because

1060
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:28,160
I don't know what to do about it but

1061
00:49:35,630 --> 00:49:31,920
here were these two cases and they were

1062
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:35,640
spectacular cases Joanne Harris was the

1063
00:49:40,490 --> 00:49:37,920
one that was and she doesn't like to be

1064
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:40,500
called Harris he her name now is Lou be

1065
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:47,040
their Lube and you'd be and she had a

1066
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:49,410
large Indian woman in the front seat and

1067
00:49:53,660 --> 00:49:51,510
for Indian girls in the back seat

1068
00:49:54,570 --> 00:49:53,670
heading down to Randle it to take them

1069
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:54,580
all after

1070
00:50:01,170 --> 00:49:57,610
volleyball game and Roosevelt and they

1071
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:01,180
see this light below the horizon Bunny

1072
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:03,250
star if it's below the horizon and it

1073
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:06,850
comes toward them each time the light

1074
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:09,520
comes on it's stationary and then it

1075
00:50:15,390 --> 00:50:12,310
goes off and the next time it comes on

1076
00:50:19,530 --> 00:50:15,400
it's much closer and eventually it's

1077
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:19,540
filling the windshield huge 50 feet away

1078
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:22,570
hundred feet away biggest biggest church

1079
00:50:28,590 --> 00:50:25,450
and Radelet she said was where were her

1080
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:28,600
words well try and describe it and the

1081
00:50:34,860 --> 00:50:30,610
four Indian girls on the floor of the

1082
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:34,870
backseat screaming and trying to I'll

1083
00:50:39,930 --> 00:50:37,930
get on the floor the large Indian woman

1084
00:50:41,940 --> 00:50:39,940
in the front seat is under the glove

1085
00:50:46,970 --> 00:50:41,950
compartment which has always been a

1086
00:50:49,650 --> 00:50:46,980
mystery as to how she managed that and

1087
00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:49,660
you know Anna's backing up down the road

1088
00:50:58,170 --> 00:50:55,110
from it and it's right there even has a

1089
00:51:00,240 --> 00:50:58,180
instantaneous thought that maybe there's

1090
00:51:02,940 --> 00:51:00,250
some Air Force guys up there and that

1091
00:51:05,070 --> 00:51:02,950
dome laughing at me right now I'll tell

1092
00:51:07,470 --> 00:51:05,080
you what we're force guys will talk

1093
00:51:10,620 --> 00:51:07,480
about all sorts of other stuff we have

1094
00:51:12,690 --> 00:51:10,630
dr. Frank Salsbury a scientist UFO

1095
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:12,700
researcher we're covering an awful lot

1096
00:51:16,530 --> 00:51:14,890
of ground a lot more ground to cover if

1097
00:51:18,810 --> 00:51:16,540
you have something to say about the show

1098
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:18,820
we want to hear from you send your

1099
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:21,370
messages to news at the power cast icon

1100
00:51:27,930 --> 00:51:24,640
that's news at the power cast calm or

1101
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:27,940
visit our forums forum that power cast

1102
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:30,370
calm that's for I'm not para cast calm

1103
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:33,520
just sign up give yourself a unique

1104
00:51:40,530 --> 00:51:36,970
username and get in on the fun I'm Jean

1105
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:40,540
Steinberg you're in the para cast

1106
00:51:52,509 --> 00:51:49,839
[Music]

1107
00:51:54,579 --> 00:51:52,519
hi this is Ted Anderson if you'd like to

1108
00:51:55,630 --> 00:51:54,589
listen to GCN programs on the goal I

1109
00:51:57,700 --> 00:51:55,640
have great news

1110
00:51:59,920 --> 00:51:57,710
gzn has created a Droid and iPhone

1111
00:52:02,229 --> 00:51:59,930
application and it's free just as easy

1112
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:02,239
as going to GC and live.com click on the

1113
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:04,160
banner and download before you know it

1114
00:52:07,569 --> 00:52:05,569
you'll be listening to your favorite

1115
00:52:09,370 --> 00:52:07,579
hard-hitting GCN shows live around

1116
00:52:12,249 --> 00:52:09,380
demand right on your Droid or iPhone

1117
00:52:14,229 --> 00:52:12,259
24/7 and on the go so download the Droid

1118
00:52:16,359 --> 00:52:14,239
an iPhone app free by clicking on the

1119
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:16,369
banner at GC and live.com thanks again

1120
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:18,529
for listening to GC and live.com again

1121
00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:21,049
that's GC + live.com we the people grow

1122
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:23,150
cotton wheat fabric engraving can bed

1123
00:52:26,410 --> 00:52:24,650
strips and fibers to protect from

1124
00:52:27,969 --> 00:52:26,420
counterfeit and carding - a private bank

1125
00:52:29,710 --> 00:52:27,979
having a led back at interest

1126
00:52:31,420 --> 00:52:29,720
forcing taxes to service debt this

1127
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:31,430
capitalism what was Jefferson correct

1128
00:52:34,690 --> 00:52:33,049
when stating a central bank issuing the

1129
00:52:35,799 --> 00:52:34,700
public currency is a greater menace to

1130
00:52:37,569 --> 00:52:35,809
the liberties of the people than a

1131
00:52:38,650 --> 00:52:37,579
standing army Ted Anderson I'm placing a

1132
00:52:40,749 --> 00:52:38,660
free silver dollar in a book that

1133
00:52:44,019 --> 00:52:40,759
explains our monetary system call for

1134
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:44,029
your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time to

1135
00:52:50,310 --> 00:52:47,119
understand the system call 866 to 237

1136
00:52:54,540 --> 00:52:50,320
that's 800 686 to 237

1137
00:52:59,940 --> 00:52:57,150
welcome back to the pear cast the gold

1138
00:53:08,040 --> 00:52:59,950
standard of paranormal radio and now

1139
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:08,050
here's Jean Steinberg we return dr.

1140
00:53:13,290 --> 00:53:10,000
Frank Salisbury's the guests Chris

1141
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:13,300
O'Brien's the co-host Jean Steinberg is

1142
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:15,970
the would-be codger and I've been around

1143
00:53:21,420 --> 00:53:17,530
forever according to Brett Steiger

1144
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:21,430
you're in the para cast dr. Salsbury you

1145
00:53:27,690 --> 00:53:24,400
know you look at all this all these

1146
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:27,700
cases that you've been involved in now

1147
00:53:31,110 --> 00:53:29,530
we're really on a lot of people a lot of

1148
00:53:34,050 --> 00:53:31,120
scientists who got involved in UFO

1149
00:53:36,420 --> 00:53:34,060
research and we'll make Jacques filet

1150
00:53:40,410 --> 00:53:36,430
kind of an exception here took the

1151
00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:40,420
position that UFOs meant the arrival of

1152
00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:43,030
a T on our planet is that your a

1153
00:53:52,590 --> 00:53:46,900
particular position oh I suppose that

1154
00:53:54,750 --> 00:53:52,600
was the the popular position and so I as

1155
00:53:56,430 --> 00:53:54,760
I was getting into the field learning

1156
00:54:00,000 --> 00:53:56,440
about it why of course I thought about

1157
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:00,010
and in those terms but by the time my

1158
00:54:07,950 --> 00:54:04,810
book was published in 1974 relating

1159
00:54:10,610 --> 00:54:07,960
these cases in the UN a basin and many

1160
00:54:15,060 --> 00:54:10,620
other cases from all over the world I

1161
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:15,070
had pretty much rejected the

1162
00:54:22,530 --> 00:54:18,880
nuts-and-bolts hypothesis as we like to

1163
00:54:24,140 --> 00:54:22,540
call it and it was and well there are

1164
00:54:26,580 --> 00:54:24,150
two arguments against it

1165
00:54:28,740 --> 00:54:26,590
and one is they can't get here from

1166
00:54:31,410 --> 00:54:28,750
there and the other is when they get

1167
00:54:35,220 --> 00:54:31,420
here they should be saying take me to

1168
00:54:38,670 --> 00:54:35,230
your leader and of course there are

1169
00:54:41,340 --> 00:54:38,680
answers to both of those and so I don't

1170
00:54:45,540 --> 00:54:41,350
reject it on that basis I rejected on

1171
00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:45,550
the basis - basis maybe and one is an

1172
00:54:53,870 --> 00:54:47,860
incredible variety and just sheer

1173
00:54:56,070 --> 00:54:53,880
numbers and the other is the strangeness

1174
00:55:00,360 --> 00:54:56,080
sure we don't know what they would do

1175
00:55:01,830 --> 00:55:00,370
for sure cuz we can't discern the

1176
00:55:06,750 --> 00:55:01,840
motives of an extraterrestrial

1177
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:06,760
intelligence but it's just really hard

1178
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:08,000
to believe that they would

1179
00:55:12,460 --> 00:55:09,890
many of the things that are reported and

1180
00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:12,470
so the gut feeling and that's where you

1181
00:55:19,170 --> 00:55:14,710
end up with so much of this stuff but

1182
00:55:22,300 --> 00:55:19,180
the gut feeling is it goes deeper than

1183
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:22,310
flying here in in rocket ships from

1184
00:55:29,530 --> 00:55:25,280
alpha century or something there should

1185
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:29,540
be a really wider area of intrigue here

1186
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:32,690
now do you follow the theories of dr.

1187
00:55:39,570 --> 00:55:34,880
jacques filet in books such as

1188
00:55:43,150 --> 00:55:39,580
messengers of deception or what hi I

1189
00:55:47,740 --> 00:55:43,160
have a lot in common with him he's a

1190
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:47,750
sort of an idol I like to point out that

1191
00:55:52,210 --> 00:55:51,440
I arrived at the conclusions independent

1192
00:55:54,990 --> 00:55:52,220
of him

1193
00:55:59,710 --> 00:55:55,000
at least to an extent I read his

1194
00:56:03,910 --> 00:55:59,720
passport the Magana way back then and a

1195
00:56:06,580 --> 00:56:03,920
couple of others but I do and then it's

1196
00:56:09,310 --> 00:56:06,590
pretty much the same reason he it's a

1197
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:09,320
strangeness and the number and and he is

1198
00:56:16,510 --> 00:56:13,310
very deeply into studies of the

1199
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:16,520
paranormal hoping to find some kind of

1200
00:56:24,340 --> 00:56:19,250
answer there and as far as I know never

1201
00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:24,350
really quite finding it but the basic

1202
00:56:31,060 --> 00:56:28,910
philosophy was let's not be afraid to to

1203
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:31,070
take a look at whatever the answers

1204
00:56:39,010 --> 00:56:36,890
wherever the answer could be and so in

1205
00:56:42,790 --> 00:56:39,020
the part of his diary that I'm reading

1206
00:56:47,170 --> 00:56:42,800
right now is published diary forbidden

1207
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:47,180
science vol 2 he's talking about visits

1208
00:56:54,990 --> 00:56:51,040
to I think Anton LaVey who was the

1209
00:56:57,340 --> 00:56:55,000
founder of the Church of Satan and

1210
00:56:59,830 --> 00:56:57,350
that's probably pushing a little farther

1211
00:57:02,440 --> 00:56:59,840
than I would have gone but but he had a

1212
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:02,450
lot to say about this man and his

1213
00:57:06,850 --> 00:57:04,370
approach and I don't think he ever

1214
00:57:10,980 --> 00:57:06,860
managed quite to relate it to the UFO

1215
00:57:13,660 --> 00:57:10,990
phenomenon but it's an illustration of

1216
00:57:18,340 --> 00:57:13,670
what he was willing to do to try and

1217
00:57:21,630 --> 00:57:18,350
find answers and of course Hynek he

1218
00:57:25,150 --> 00:57:21,640
started out debunking but he ended up

1219
00:57:31,810 --> 00:57:25,160
anything but debunking and I quote in my

1220
00:57:34,750 --> 00:57:31,820
book a speech that he gave at the UFO

1221
00:57:40,660 --> 00:57:34,760
Conger Congress in 1978 I believe it was

1222
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:40,670
77 maybe and he talks there about the

1223
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:43,490
how the it just has to involve the

1224
00:57:55,900 --> 00:57:49,760
paranormal and so on and I copied the

1225
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:55,910
speech off of Wikipedia although I have

1226
00:57:59,410 --> 00:57:57,680
the book and it's in there and I check

1227
00:58:04,540 --> 00:57:59,420
to see there was there but it's on

1228
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:04,550
Wikipedia too and so that's what's

1229
00:58:08,620 --> 00:58:06,650
happened to some of us and it for shock

1230
00:58:12,940 --> 00:58:08,630
value Hynek were very close highly

1231
00:58:15,250 --> 00:58:12,950
jacques cut his PhD under Hynek at

1232
00:58:17,620 --> 00:58:15,260
Northwestern University and to really

1233
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:17,630
extent because of the interest in UFOs

1234
00:58:26,170 --> 00:58:23,090
I think the PhD is and must be in

1235
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:26,180
astronomy because Hank was an astronomer

1236
00:58:31,570 --> 00:58:29,810
he Malay got an earlier degree and he

1237
00:58:34,690 --> 00:58:31,580
can straighten all this out when he

1238
00:58:36,930 --> 00:58:34,700
talks with you but he's a computer

1239
00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:36,940
specialist was during those years

1240
00:58:42,940 --> 00:58:39,910
especially and drifted away from

1241
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:42,950
astronomy as such Chris why don't you

1242
00:58:48,190 --> 00:58:45,200
pick up on this well it's interesting

1243
00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:48,200
that you should mention that of LA in

1244
00:58:53,350 --> 00:58:50,390
his second edition of forbidden science

1245
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:53,360
volume 2 should be interested enough in

1246
00:59:00,520 --> 00:58:56,450
the potential occult angle to visit

1247
00:59:04,210 --> 00:59:00,530
someone as notorious nefarious as an

1248
00:59:06,730 --> 00:59:04,220
Anton LaVey what are your feelings about

1249
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:06,740
a potential occult angle one of our

1250
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:09,770
co-hosts Nick Redfern has a book out

1251
00:59:14,590 --> 00:59:11,810
that just was recently published called

1252
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:14,600
final events that talks about a shadowy

1253
00:59:19,690 --> 00:59:16,370
think tank within the Department of

1254
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:19,700
Defense that equates UFOs to demons here

1255
00:59:26,980 --> 00:59:22,370
to harvest our souls have you ever given

1256
00:59:31,180 --> 00:59:26,990
a thought to some sort of demonic or

1257
00:59:32,890 --> 00:59:31,190
potentially a cult angle to the UFO

1258
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:32,900
phenomenon or the paranormal for that

1259
00:59:34,570 --> 00:59:33,370
matter

1260
00:59:36,730 --> 00:59:34,580
sure

1261
00:59:40,510 --> 00:59:36,740
I've given thought to it but they don't

1262
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:40,520
know the answers demons to harvest our

1263
00:59:48,820 --> 00:59:43,610
souls would that would be pushing a

1264
00:59:52,030 --> 00:59:48,830
little too far for me but defined demon

1265
00:59:58,180 --> 00:59:52,040
I don't know for sure but intelligent

1266
01:00:00,820 --> 00:59:58,190
beings who are capable of evil I think

1267
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:00,830
part of the UFO phenomenon including in

1268
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:04,370
these events on the skinwalker ranch fit

1269
01:00:11,260 --> 01:00:06,410
into a category of that type and on the

1270
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:11,270
other hand there's some very spiritual

1271
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:13,370
and positive things that have come out

1272
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:16,160
of it and there's a spectrum from good

1273
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:21,760
to bad but a bottom line is that I am

1274
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:25,130
pushed to the idea that there is that

1275
01:00:30,010 --> 01:00:26,480
we're talking about some kind of

1276
01:00:32,940 --> 01:00:30,020
parallel universe some way to get here

1277
01:00:38,290 --> 01:00:32,950
from something that we are unable to

1278
01:00:40,810 --> 01:00:38,300
study in our physics so far and that's

1279
01:00:41,940 --> 01:00:40,820
well the physicists are talking about

1280
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:41,950
that kind of thing

1281
01:00:48,820 --> 01:00:46,010
wormholes and portals and such but it's

1282
01:00:51,130 --> 01:00:48,830
getting pretty far out nonetheless I

1283
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:51,140
think we're forced into it well the

1284
01:00:54,850 --> 01:00:53,210
wheels been broken ufology in terms of

1285
01:00:57,130 --> 01:00:54,860
the nuts and bolts eth or the

1286
01:00:58,590 --> 01:00:57,140
extra-terrestrial hypothesis as you

1287
01:01:01,660 --> 01:00:58,600
mentioned at the top of the show

1288
01:01:03,790 --> 01:01:01,670
rereading Kiyo's book from 1950 and

1289
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:03,800
looking at where we're at and how much

1290
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:06,850
we've progressed in our understanding

1291
01:01:12,250 --> 01:01:10,490
since 1950 the wheels broke it's been

1292
01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:12,260
flying it flew off the vehicle quite a

1293
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:14,510
while ago at least in my personal view

1294
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:17,570
of looking at the eth and nuts and bolts

1295
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:19,850
theory what do you think of the idea of

1296
01:01:24,190 --> 01:01:21,920
some sort of collective manifestation

1297
01:01:25,900 --> 01:01:24,200
more of a union Aryan approach I

1298
01:01:28,060 --> 01:01:25,910
recently wrote a book called stalking

1299
01:01:31,150 --> 01:01:28,070
the tricksters that attempts to equate

1300
01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:31,160
the the the archetype within the

1301
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:32,720
collective unconscious of the trickster

1302
01:01:36,910 --> 01:01:34,880
as possibly being somehow involved in

1303
01:01:39,790 --> 01:01:36,920
manifestations of the paranormal and

1304
01:01:41,890 --> 01:01:39,800
needs to be UFOs what do you think of

1305
01:01:44,550 --> 01:01:41,900
that line of thinking I think the line

1306
01:01:47,140 --> 01:01:44,560
of thinking is very interesting and

1307
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:47,150
close to where I find myself at this

1308
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:49,280
point

1309
01:01:56,060 --> 01:01:53,200
we have to mention Stan Friedman who

1310
01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:56,070
still pushes the nuts-and-bolts pretty

1311
01:02:00,350 --> 01:01:58,410
heavily now that's interesting point of

1312
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:00,360
view there I'd like to maybe kind of

1313
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:02,010
flesh that out a little bit but I want

1314
01:02:06,650 --> 01:02:04,170
tell our listeners you can participate

1315
01:02:08,690 --> 01:02:06,660
in discussions all about the power

1316
01:02:12,620 --> 01:02:08,700
castes and politics and anything that

1317
01:02:16,430 --> 01:02:12,630
crosses your path go to for America's

1318
01:02:19,390 --> 01:02:16,440
calm for America's calm to sign up you

1319
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:19,400
give yourself a unique username and

1320
01:02:23,180 --> 01:02:21,450
within a few minutes you could be

1321
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:23,190
participating you can check out the

1322
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:26,400
messages you can join the Buddy lists

1323
01:02:30,290 --> 01:02:27,570
and all the other things that we've got

1324
01:02:33,410 --> 01:02:30,300
going on at the forms for I'm not para

1325
01:02:35,870 --> 01:02:33,420
cast com otherwise you can write us news

1326
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:35,880
at the para cast comm news at the para

1327
01:02:40,910 --> 01:02:38,490
cast comm our special guest dr. Frank

1328
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:40,920
Salisbury the co-host is Chris O'Brien

1329
01:02:46,620 --> 01:02:43,290
on gene Steinberg you're in the para

1330
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:50,810
[Music]

1331
01:02:57,150 --> 01:02:54,870
is there a secret UFO agenda to strange

1332
01:02:59,490 --> 01:02:57,160
creatures from the darkest corners of

1333
01:03:02,330 --> 01:02:59,500
the mind roam the earth is there

1334
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:02,340
evidence for mind control time travel or

1335
01:03:07,620 --> 01:03:06,010
devious government conspiracies find out

1336
01:03:10,650 --> 01:03:07,630
the inside scoop on the latest

1337
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:10,660
conspiracies Paranormal Activity and at

1338
01:03:15,839 --> 01:03:13,359
14 phenomena when you subscribe to Tim

1339
01:03:18,690 --> 01:03:15,849
Beckley's conspiracy girl it's

1340
01:03:21,330 --> 01:03:18,700
jam-packed with stories special book and

1341
01:03:23,609 --> 01:03:21,340
DVD promotions and the best news it's

1342
01:03:26,790 --> 01:03:23,619
absolutely free sent right to your

1343
01:03:30,570 --> 01:03:26,800
mailbox plus a bonus free email

1344
01:03:32,430 --> 01:03:30,580
newsletter sent out every Friday simply

1345
01:03:37,410 --> 01:03:32,440
sent an email with your name and address

1346
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:37,420
to Mister UFO at web TV dotnet that's

1347
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:42,970
mr. UFO at web TV dotnet find out what

1348
01:03:52,410 --> 01:03:51,210
have you ever felt like the United

1349
01:03:54,660 --> 01:03:52,420
States government knows way too much

1350
01:03:56,460 --> 01:03:54,670
about your financial affairs I continue

1351
01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:56,470
to hear stories about property seizures

1352
01:04:00,840 --> 01:03:58,720
frozen bank accounts confiscation of

1353
01:04:02,700 --> 01:04:00,850
stocks and bonds it makes me wonder if

1354
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:02,710
the US citizen will ever again have the

1355
01:04:07,170 --> 01:04:04,720
right to life liberty and the pursuit of

1356
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:07,180
happiness unfortunately with the drug

1357
01:04:12,060 --> 01:04:09,250
and money laundering Act the IRS Revenue

1358
01:04:13,410 --> 01:04:12,070
Ruling 60-45 of 1984 and the trading

1359
01:04:16,350 --> 01:04:13,420
with the enemy Act in Franklin D

1360
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:16,360
Roosevelt executive order of 1933 some

1361
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:18,250
precious metal holdings are subject to

1362
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:20,290
government intervention for this reason

1363
01:04:23,730 --> 01:04:22,000
Midas Resources has prepared a report

1364
01:04:25,620 --> 01:04:23,740
exploiting the boundaries of trading

1365
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:25,630
precious metals privately whether if you

1366
01:04:29,310 --> 01:04:27,520
have any intention of trading with Midas

1367
01:04:30,810 --> 01:04:29,320
resources or not I have instructed my

1368
01:04:37,790 --> 01:04:30,820
representatives to give this report out

1369
01:04:37,800 --> 01:05:10,550
[Music]

1370
01:05:22,950 --> 01:05:19,620
1-866-376-8255 or cost you when you're

1371
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:22,960
sick get ahead of the sick curve get the

1372
01:05:28,140 --> 01:05:24,880
T here's how to order

1373
01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:28,150
log on to get the t.com that's get the T

1374
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:31,510
te a.com or you can call one of our

1375
01:05:37,230 --> 01:05:34,000
friendly operators nine two eight three

1376
01:05:39,450 --> 01:05:37,240
zero eight zero four zero eight that's

1377
01:05:43,230 --> 01:05:39,460
nine two eight three zero eight zero

1378
01:05:44,850 --> 01:05:43,240
four zero eight our t TS great and will

1379
01:05:47,970 --> 01:05:44,860
help you with your health and you can

1380
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:47,980
even lose weight so again try us out at

1381
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:50,010
get the t-dot-com

1382
01:05:55,799 --> 01:05:52,569
attention an important product from hemp

1383
01:05:57,779 --> 01:05:55,809
usa.org micro plant powder will change

1384
01:06:00,120 --> 01:05:57,789
your life by removing all types of

1385
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:00,130
positive toxins such as heavy metals

1386
01:06:04,410 --> 01:06:02,650
parasites bacteria viruses and fungus

1387
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:04,420
from the digestive tract and stomach

1388
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:06,880
wall so you can absorb nutrients micro

1389
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:09,970
plant powder is 89% silica and packed

1390
01:06:13,859 --> 01:06:11,650
with a negative charge that attracts

1391
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:13,869
positive toxins from the blood organs

1392
01:06:17,970 --> 01:06:16,089
spine and brain this product has the

1393
01:06:20,279 --> 01:06:17,980
ability to rebuild cartilage and bone

1394
01:06:22,349 --> 01:06:20,289
which allows synovial fluid to return to

1395
01:06:24,660 --> 01:06:22,359
the joints silica is a precursor to

1396
01:06:26,730 --> 01:06:24,670
calcium meaning the body turns silica

1397
01:06:29,069 --> 01:06:26,740
into calcium and is great for the heart

1398
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:29,079
there is no better time than now to have

1399
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:31,359
micro plant powder on your shelf or in

1400
01:06:35,010 --> 01:06:33,039
your storage shelter and with an

1401
01:06:37,380 --> 01:06:35,020
unlimited shelf life you can store it

1402
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:37,390
anywhere call nine eight six nine one

1403
01:06:43,289 --> 01:06:40,450
two six zero eight or visit hemp usa.org

1404
01:06:47,700 --> 01:06:43,299
it's a great way to change your life so

1405
01:06:51,630 --> 01:06:47,710
call 9 0 8 6 91 2608 or visit us at hemp

1406
01:06:53,370 --> 01:06:51,640
usa.org today are you tired of searching

1407
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:53,380
for great talk-radio

1408
01:07:06,059 --> 01:06:56,559
more important search through noble we

1409
01:07:08,010 --> 01:07:06,069
are the gcn radio network we want to

1410
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:08,020
hear from you if you have a comment or

1411
01:07:12,299 --> 01:07:09,760
question about the pair cast send it to

1412
01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:12,309
news at the para cast com

1413
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:15,369
that's news at the podcast comm but if

1414
01:07:18,750 --> 01:07:17,410
you want to catch up on past episodes we

1415
01:07:21,390 --> 01:07:18,760
have hundreds of shows for you to

1416
01:07:25,170 --> 01:07:21,400
download direct from the para cast com

1417
01:07:28,730 --> 01:07:25,180
that's the para cast comm or check us

1418
01:07:35,579 --> 01:07:32,700
we continue dr. Frank Salisbury is our

1419
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:35,589
guest Chris O'Brien is the co-host I'm

1420
01:07:40,620 --> 01:07:37,450
gene Steinberg you're in the para cast

1421
01:07:45,329 --> 01:07:40,630
and now we're exploring as they say the

1422
01:07:48,150 --> 01:07:45,339
expansion of dr. Salisbury's exposure to

1423
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:48,160
the UFO mystery talking about parallel

1424
01:07:53,130 --> 01:07:50,559
universes and other possibilities what

1425
01:07:54,690 --> 01:07:53,140
about the theory and maybe you haven't

1426
01:07:58,200 --> 01:07:54,700
read about this but I'll give you the

1427
01:08:01,140 --> 01:07:58,210
basic focus that UFOs are indigenous to

1428
01:08:02,609 --> 01:08:01,150
earth now the late Mac Tony's a young

1429
01:08:05,069 --> 01:08:02,619
man wrote a book about Krypto

1430
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:05,079
terrestrials which was his name for

1431
01:08:09,420 --> 01:08:07,450
these people so have you looked into the

1432
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:09,430
possibility you know we also have the

1433
01:08:15,210 --> 01:08:13,690
Shafer mystery for example do you at all

1434
01:08:18,269 --> 01:08:15,220
considered the possibility that there

1435
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:18,279
might be another race indigenous to

1436
01:08:23,490 --> 01:08:21,130
Earth where they're visiting us they've

1437
01:08:25,769 --> 01:08:23,500
been here for a long time maybe they are

1438
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:25,779
remnants of a race that came here from

1439
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:30,850
the stars well I know about it but I the

1440
01:08:36,059 --> 01:08:33,520
idea doesn't intrigue me very much there

1441
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:36,069
are too many problems we're too well

1442
01:08:42,090 --> 01:08:38,130
familiar with the Earth's surface and

1443
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:42,100
what's going on unexplored areas but not

1444
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:47,290
many and of course decades ago there

1445
01:08:51,780 --> 01:08:48,850
were still people who could talk about a

1446
01:08:55,890 --> 01:08:51,790
big hole at the up near the North Pole

1447
01:08:57,689 --> 01:08:55,900
what saucers came out of from the center

1448
01:09:01,950 --> 01:08:57,699
of the earth whether civilization was

1449
01:09:04,380 --> 01:09:01,960
and that's just we know too much now

1450
01:09:06,030 --> 01:09:04,390
that that just won't work any more at

1451
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:06,040
least as far as I know I don't know if

1452
01:09:09,870 --> 01:09:07,449
there are still people out there pushing

1453
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:09,880
that view or not do you as a matter of

1454
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:11,920
fact you know not so much having the

1455
01:09:17,970 --> 01:09:15,370
hole at the North and South Poles or

1456
01:09:20,820 --> 01:09:17,980
anything like that but definitely

1457
01:09:23,039 --> 01:09:20,830
definitely something that might still

1458
01:09:27,300 --> 01:09:23,049
exist in the center of the earth and the

1459
01:09:31,019 --> 01:09:27,310
caverns etc yeah well yeah and I I don't

1460
01:09:33,329 --> 01:09:31,029
know my collaborator Junior Hicks out

1461
01:09:37,229 --> 01:09:33,339
there and um in the basin's he thinks

1462
01:09:39,660 --> 01:09:37,239
there's an underground port but that

1463
01:09:41,190 --> 01:09:39,670
they come out of and he thinks it has to

1464
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:41,200
do with the ranch and

1465
01:09:48,900 --> 01:09:45,970
I just can't buy that right off my my

1466
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:48,910
contribution to the Randall story do we

1467
01:09:51,810 --> 01:09:50,290
have time to get into that a little bit

1468
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:51,820
take your time

1469
01:09:58,590 --> 01:09:55,810
sure absolutely um I read the book the

1470
01:10:01,470 --> 01:09:58,600
skinwalker book and I knew I had to talk

1471
01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:01,480
about it in my book on the Utah you a

1472
01:10:06,420 --> 01:10:03,490
full display on the basically on you in

1473
01:10:08,250 --> 01:10:06,430
a basin uh no way I could avoid it and

1474
01:10:11,370 --> 01:10:08,260
it seemed like one good thing would be

1475
01:10:15,090 --> 01:10:11,380
to find the previous owners and ask them

1476
01:10:17,100 --> 01:10:15,100
what they had to say about it any one of

1477
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:17,110
those incredible coincidences that

1478
01:10:22,890 --> 01:10:20,080
seemed to turn up quite a bit in this

1479
01:10:27,630 --> 01:10:22,900
field and my wife and I are visiting

1480
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:27,640
another couple and she says my uncle had

1481
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:30,880
a ranch out there and sure enough he was

1482
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:33,010
the guy who had lived on the ranch for

1483
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:36,250
50 years and he was gone by now he died

1484
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:39,760
in about 1975 I believe and but his

1485
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:42,490
brother was much much younger and was

1486
01:10:47,610 --> 01:10:45,250
this woman's father and it was his

1487
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:47,620
brother a much younger means 20 years or

1488
01:10:56,580 --> 01:10:53,410
so younger and he was living half a mile

1489
01:10:58,530 --> 01:10:56,590
away from where Wiley Evan and I went

1490
01:11:02,850 --> 01:10:58,540
and interviewed him and he was the one

1491
01:11:04,440 --> 01:11:02,860
who sold the ranch first - and I don't

1492
01:11:06,270 --> 01:11:04,450
know what that you mentioned the name of

1493
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:06,280
the guy on the ranch but I probably

1494
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:10,000
certainly wouldn't you know well okay

1495
01:11:14,910 --> 01:11:12,850
you mentioned it I promised him I

1496
01:11:19,140 --> 01:11:14,920
wouldn't and I don't in my book I just

1497
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:19,150
out of because I promised him but anyway

1498
01:11:25,650 --> 01:11:21,850
Garth Meyers sold the ranch to him and

1499
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:25,660
and then two years later negotiated the

1500
01:11:31,770 --> 01:11:29,170
sale to Bob Bigelow and Garth Mayer says

1501
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:31,780
there was no activity on the ranch

1502
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:35,250
before Sherman whoops I said it moved on

1503
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:39,370
and he says it quite convincingly and so

1504
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:45,130
a very important purpose of these visits

1505
01:11:52,230 --> 01:11:50,410
to the basin and was to collect all the

1506
01:11:52,959 --> 01:11:52,240
information I could that would relate to

1507
01:11:55,450 --> 01:11:52,969
that

1508
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:55,460
and so far the information I've been

1509
01:11:59,740 --> 01:11:57,370
able to collect pretty much supports it

1510
01:12:01,959 --> 01:11:59,750
there are people that think there was a

1511
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:01,969
little activity going on but mostly

1512
01:12:08,290 --> 01:12:05,360
that's total hearsay and the guy who

1513
01:12:11,229 --> 01:12:08,300
lives on the ranch to the east john

1514
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:11,239
garcia he had some wonderful sightings i

1515
01:12:17,740 --> 01:12:14,719
talk about a notebook and but we came

1516
01:12:19,660 --> 01:12:17,750
down what about your neighbor

1517
01:12:23,170 --> 01:12:19,670
kenneth myers he had these kind of

1518
01:12:26,650 --> 01:12:23,180
sightings well i don't think so you know

1519
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:26,660
he never told me and last this last

1520
01:12:33,010 --> 01:12:28,850
visit two weeks ago we talked to john

1521
01:12:37,390 --> 01:12:33,020
Garcia's son and he had worked on on the

1522
01:12:37,689 --> 01:12:37,400
Myers ranch as a teenager for quite some

1523
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:37,699
time

1524
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:45,370
summer and he said he got very close to

1525
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:51,650
Kenneth Myers and he without us asking

1526
01:12:56,979 --> 01:12:53,840
him said he never told me anything about

1527
01:12:58,959 --> 01:12:56,989
it anything like that going on so it's

1528
01:13:03,040 --> 01:12:58,969
kind of interesting and then and it if

1529
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:03,050
that's true if the statement in the

1530
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:05,210
skinwalker book about how the ranch has

1531
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:07,130
always been the center of activity in

1532
01:13:14,350 --> 01:13:08,930
you in a basin if that's false and I

1533
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:14,360
think is you kind of have to consider

1534
01:13:22,900 --> 01:13:18,489
the conclusion that the phenomenon

1535
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:22,910
whatever it is can pick a family and

1536
01:13:29,500 --> 01:13:26,480
hand zero in on them and that's what

1537
01:13:32,290 --> 01:13:29,510
happened to the people who moved onto

1538
01:13:35,410 --> 01:13:32,300
the ranch after the Myers finally sold

1539
01:13:37,780 --> 01:13:35,420
it well I think one thing that I noticed

1540
01:13:40,650 --> 01:13:37,790
that dr. Salisbury in your book I have

1541
01:13:43,390 --> 01:13:40,660
an original first print and actually of

1542
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:43,400
the you know your original first

1543
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:45,290
printing of your book you have a very

1544
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:47,600
interesting map that plots out the

1545
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:50,210
number of reported at you and junior

1546
01:13:54,580 --> 01:13:52,370
investigating and I do notice that there

1547
01:13:57,070 --> 01:13:54,590
is a clustering of reports around Fort

1548
01:13:59,770 --> 01:13:57,080
Dechaine as well as a clustering of

1549
01:14:02,709 --> 01:13:59,780
reports around Roosevelt is that because

1550
01:14:04,570 --> 01:14:02,719
that's where the population is densest

1551
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:04,580
or do you feel that there's something to

1552
01:14:08,530 --> 01:14:06,530
that there's some sort of location

1553
01:14:12,190 --> 01:14:08,540
as well as your knowledge about that

1554
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:12,200
yeah we we talked about that and I don't

1555
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:14,210
know if I mentioned I think I did in the

1556
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:16,370
first edition I know I doing this one

1557
01:14:22,090 --> 01:14:19,040
the alternative is that it's it's an

1558
01:14:25,540 --> 01:14:22,100
artifact of jr. being a teacher for many

1559
01:14:28,270 --> 01:14:25,550
of the Native American students who live

1560
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:28,280
around the fort Dushane roosevelt area

1561
01:14:34,540 --> 01:14:31,610
the plus of the people juniors are very

1562
01:14:36,820 --> 01:14:34,550
active latter-day saint and so am i for

1563
01:14:40,030 --> 01:14:36,830
that matter so a lot of people knowing

1564
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:40,040
he was state secretary or something and

1565
01:14:44,770 --> 01:14:42,410
the stake is like a diocese bunch of

1566
01:14:46,570 --> 01:14:44,780
large and it on so people got to know

1567
01:14:49,090 --> 01:14:46,580
him and they would come and tell him

1568
01:14:51,550 --> 01:14:49,100
their stories and I think the clustering

1569
01:14:54,130 --> 01:14:51,560
there and he thinks so too was as an

1570
01:14:57,670 --> 01:14:54,140
artifact of his connections

1571
01:14:59,860 --> 01:14:57,680
I tell him in the book about how I came

1572
01:15:02,710 --> 01:14:59,870
to the universe and the first time I

1573
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:02,720
went too fast and in Duchesne not for de

1574
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:04,850
shame but the shame and I got a ticket

1575
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:08,690
but and I hated the waste that I think

1576
01:15:14,050 --> 01:15:10,610
it was a whole ten dollar fine at the

1577
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:14,060
time and so I started asking to buy UFOs

1578
01:15:19,090 --> 01:15:16,370
and I just turned up one case after

1579
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:19,100
another in the course of a few hours in

1580
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:21,530
Dushane where jr. essentially had none

1581
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:23,810
because he had no connection there a

1582
01:15:29,290 --> 01:15:26,810
vernal got a little publicity back in

1583
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:29,300
the mid-60s some of those sightings were

1584
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:31,280
reported to the news media and they got

1585
01:15:35,380 --> 01:15:33,050
a little publicity and I'll tell you

1586
01:15:37,210 --> 01:15:35,390
what will we get into this story in a

1587
01:15:39,700 --> 01:15:37,220
bit more detail in just a moment we have

1588
01:15:41,620 --> 01:15:39,710
dr. Frank Salisbury joining us I'm Jean

1589
01:15:46,660 --> 01:15:41,630
Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

1590
01:15:52,939 --> 01:15:49,540
[Music]

1591
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:52,949
Ray Perkins a reclusive veteran burned

1592
01:15:57,939 --> 01:15:55,650
out from the Gulf War lives tortured by

1593
01:16:00,319 --> 01:15:57,949
relentless perplexing nightmares

1594
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:00,329
nightmares of a horrific battle in deep

1595
01:16:04,490 --> 01:16:02,250
space and of a mysterious woman

1596
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:04,500
suffering an agony for her devastated

1597
01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:07,650
world a woman not yet born calling

1598
01:16:14,209 --> 01:16:11,510
across centuries to him then a

1599
01:16:17,450 --> 01:16:14,219
coincidence leads him to his destiny his

1600
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:17,460
chance to alter the universe attack of

1601
01:16:21,890 --> 01:16:20,010
the rock the former fiction editor for

1602
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:21,900
Star Wars and Indiana Jones Robert

1603
01:16:26,270 --> 01:16:24,210
Simpson writes the soul of the novel

1604
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:26,280
attack of the Rockets lies in its heart

1605
01:16:30,109 --> 01:16:28,050
and passion for building a convincing

1606
01:16:33,319 --> 01:16:30,119
tale of a love that spans the galaxy a

1607
01:16:35,930 --> 01:16:33,329
thrilling storm attack of the rocket is

1608
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:35,940
available now read a sample chapter and

1609
01:16:39,049 --> 01:16:37,679
get a special discount off of the cover

1610
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:39,059
price at our website

1611
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:44,250
Rocko is calm that's our Ock Oh IDs calm

1612
01:16:51,799 --> 01:16:47,610
attack of the Rockets a novel in the

1613
01:16:53,540 --> 01:16:51,809
grand science-fiction tradition fight

1614
01:16:56,209 --> 01:16:53,550
back this cold and flu season with a

1615
01:16:57,740 --> 01:16:56,219
world's best garlic extract ally see why

1616
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:57,750
Ally see because it helps your body

1617
01:17:02,419 --> 01:17:00,480
fight viruses bacteria and fungi a

1618
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:02,429
lessee has been scientifically proven in

1619
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:04,770
double-blind studies using low doses to

1620
01:17:08,959 --> 01:17:06,719
greatly reduce the number severity and

1621
01:17:11,180 --> 01:17:08,969
duration of common colds a lessee

1622
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:11,190
contains 300 milligrams of stabilized

1623
01:17:14,089 --> 01:17:13,530
Alison the active ingredient in crushed

1624
01:17:16,100 --> 01:17:14,099
garlic

1625
01:17:17,959 --> 01:17:16,110
studies show Ali C is effective against

1626
01:17:20,660 --> 01:17:17,969
mersa bacterial fungal and viral

1627
01:17:22,850 --> 01:17:20,670
infections one tablet of a lessee has

1628
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:22,860
the equivalent of 40 cloves of garlic

1629
01:17:27,169 --> 01:17:24,719
Ali's C supports your body's resistance

1630
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:27,179
to all types of conditions and can help

1631
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:28,650
lower high blood pressure and high

1632
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:29,250
cholesterol

1633
01:17:32,899 --> 01:17:31,170
so boost your body's resistance to

1634
01:17:35,149 --> 01:17:32,909
infection with nature's best garlic

1635
01:17:37,250 --> 01:17:35,159
extract ally see for more information

1636
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:37,260
and to order a lessee call eight seven

1637
01:17:42,109 --> 01:17:39,210
seven eight eight eight seven one two

1638
01:17:44,029 --> 01:17:42,119
six or go to garlic health products calm

1639
01:17:46,399 --> 01:17:44,039
that's one eight seven seven eight eight

1640
01:17:48,740 --> 01:17:46,409
eight seven one two six or go to garlic

1641
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:48,750
health products calm for your ally see

1642
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:52,320
today you may not be thinking of lead

1643
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:54,239
and brass as precious metal investment

1644
01:17:58,170 --> 01:17:56,730
and you may not be thinking about ammo

1645
01:18:00,780 --> 01:17:58,180
when we say batteries

1646
01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:00,790
but you should because battery station

1647
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:02,320
has a large inventory of the most

1648
01:18:06,270 --> 01:18:04,330
popular calibers just go to battery

1649
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:06,280
station calm and click on ammunition

1650
01:18:10,530 --> 01:18:08,560
there you'll see where Second Amendment

1651
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:10,540
Patriots invest in precious metals for

1652
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:13,600
three eighty nine millimeter 40 Cal 45

1653
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:16,930
ACP 38 special 357 Magnum

1654
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:20,560
two to three 30.6 308 and more be sure

1655
01:18:25,740 --> 01:18:22,810
to look for the October GCM specials in

1656
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:25,750
blue boxes - at battery station comm we

1657
01:18:30,090 --> 01:18:27,520
shoot what we sell an all battery

1658
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:30,100
station ammo is all factory no reloads

1659
01:18:34,260 --> 01:18:31,810
you'll enjoy great customer service

1660
01:18:36,210 --> 01:18:34,270
great prices and fast shipping plus all

1661
01:18:38,580 --> 01:18:36,220
orders over $30 will receive a free

1662
01:18:39,060 --> 01:18:38,590
patriotic flag so invest in gold and

1663
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:39,070
silver

1664
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:40,690
but don't forget about investing in LED

1665
01:18:46,590 --> 01:18:43,600
and brass - at battery station comm call

1666
01:18:50,130 --> 01:18:46,600
four one seven two five seven 77 99 or

1667
01:18:51,630 --> 01:18:50,140
go to battery station comm today off the

1668
01:18:53,580 --> 01:18:51,640
grid remedies can still be grown in your

1669
01:18:55,230 --> 01:18:53,590
own backyard tap into powerful

1670
01:18:56,700 --> 01:18:55,240
off-the-grid healthcare using

1671
01:18:59,040 --> 01:18:56,710
all-natural time-tested herbal

1672
01:19:00,900 --> 01:18:59,050
medications that you grow yourself with

1673
01:19:02,430 --> 01:19:00,910
the new survival herb Bank take the

1674
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:02,440
first preventative step against the

1675
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:04,480
coming socialized medical shortages with

1676
01:19:07,890 --> 01:19:06,730
survival herb bang calm traditional

1677
01:19:09,900 --> 01:19:07,900
herbal remedies have been used

1678
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:09,910
effectively for centuries but the big

1679
01:19:13,140 --> 01:19:11,770
pharmaceutical and big government cartel

1680
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:13,150
can't patent their natural healing

1681
01:19:17,490 --> 01:19:15,250
powers that's why they are trying to ban

1682
01:19:19,380 --> 01:19:17,500
them the survival herb Bank contains 20

1683
01:19:21,180 --> 01:19:19,390
powerful herbs all with proven track

1684
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:21,190
records as off-the-grid remedies and

1685
01:19:25,260 --> 01:19:23,530
here's the best part when you grow your

1686
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:25,270
own herbal medicines potencies go

1687
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:27,730
through the roof learn more at survival

1688
01:19:30,810 --> 01:19:28,690
herb bank.com

1689
01:19:33,900 --> 01:19:30,820
plus get the ebook how to grow your own

1690
01:19:36,060 --> 01:19:33,910
herbs for survival remedies a $39 value

1691
01:19:37,980 --> 01:19:36,070
free with every survival or bank order

1692
01:19:40,110 --> 01:19:37,990
now at less than half price while

1693
01:19:42,150 --> 01:19:40,120
supplies last at survival herb bank.com

1694
01:19:44,430 --> 01:19:42,160
or call eight seven seven three two

1695
01:19:46,260 --> 01:19:44,440
seven zero three sixty five that's eight

1696
01:19:49,310 --> 01:19:46,270
seven seven three two seven zero three

1697
01:19:52,890 --> 01:19:49,320
six five survival herb bank.com

1698
01:19:56,100 --> 01:19:52,900
the GC and radio network providing the

1699
01:19:57,010 --> 01:19:56,110
world with hard-hitting talk radio G C

1700
01:20:05,470 --> 01:19:57,020
and

1701
01:20:09,970 --> 01:20:05,480
great talk radio starts here you've

1702
01:20:09,980 --> 01:20:19,570
[Music]

1703
01:20:25,100 --> 01:20:22,820
we am dr. frank salzburg joining us for

1704
01:20:26,990 --> 01:20:25,110
the entire show this week I'm gene

1705
01:20:29,480 --> 01:20:27,000
Steinberg Chris O'Brien's the co-host

1706
01:20:31,190 --> 01:20:29,490
were in the power cast dr. Salzburg we

1707
01:20:33,290 --> 01:20:31,200
kind of interrupted you on that story

1708
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:33,300
are you able to pick up where you left

1709
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:37,410
off yeah I guess we were and

1710
01:20:41,150 --> 01:20:39,210
interestingly enough I'm not all not

1711
01:20:43,370 --> 01:20:41,160
able to pick up but we were talking

1712
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:43,380
about the clustering of sightings in the

1713
01:20:49,940 --> 01:20:48,210
Uintah Basin and jr. Hicks my

1714
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:49,950
collaborator there who collected the

1715
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:52,560
sightings originally most of them except

1716
01:20:58,970 --> 01:20:54,480
the ones I collected in Duchesne when I

1717
01:21:02,660 --> 01:20:58,980
got a speeding ticket on Main Street

1718
01:21:06,500 --> 01:21:02,670
yeah but that's I think that's sort of

1719
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:06,510
important and the conclusion is that if

1720
01:21:11,900 --> 01:21:08,640
you looked around you might encounter

1721
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:11,910
all kinds of things that jr. didn't

1722
01:21:18,610 --> 01:21:14,880
encounter just because he didn't know

1723
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:18,620
the people and they didn't know him I

1724
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:23,570
spent hours on the phone talking with

1725
01:21:31,670 --> 01:21:26,130
the guy who lived on the ranch during

1726
01:21:34,340 --> 01:21:31,680
all the activity and he would not just

1727
01:21:38,030 --> 01:21:34,350
talk to me directly about the sightings

1728
01:21:40,820 --> 01:21:38,040
and yet he clearly felt a need to to

1729
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:40,830
talk and and we talked and talked and

1730
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:43,970
talked and indirectly he confirmed I

1731
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:46,170
shouldn't have said sightings I should

1732
01:21:52,060 --> 01:21:48,810
have said experiences because many of

1733
01:21:57,170 --> 01:21:52,070
them were very strange things that

1734
01:22:00,980 --> 01:21:57,180
weren't like sightings at all anyway he

1735
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:00,990
said that some of the neighbors had had

1736
01:22:10,130 --> 01:22:04,010
come and told him about similar things

1737
01:22:12,140 --> 01:22:10,140
and that there was a lot of activity

1738
01:22:14,090 --> 01:22:12,150
that jr. didn't know about incidentally

1739
01:22:15,950 --> 01:22:14,100
jr. didn't know about a number of the

1740
01:22:18,500 --> 01:22:15,960
things that went on at the ranch he was

1741
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:18,510
doing electrical work there and and he

1742
01:22:23,060 --> 01:22:20,370
would come and he saw some of the

1743
01:22:25,190 --> 01:22:23,070
evidences of what had happened he saw

1744
01:22:27,170 --> 01:22:25,200
the places where the dogs had been

1745
01:22:28,129 --> 01:22:27,180
incinerated if you're familiar with the

1746
01:22:31,490 --> 01:22:28,139
book and

1747
01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:31,500
the shed that was not a trailer was a

1748
01:22:38,810 --> 01:22:36,320
shed that four Bulls had been piled into

1749
01:22:42,109 --> 01:22:38,820
within a very short time and

1750
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:42,119
explicably and I kicked her way out not

1751
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:44,489
to shed the pieces and junior saw that

1752
01:22:49,879 --> 01:22:47,730
and was told about it at the time and he

1753
01:22:54,350 --> 01:22:49,889
was told about the orbs and the number

1754
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:54,360
of things and so that plus the sometimes

1755
01:23:01,070 --> 01:22:56,159
direct but mostly in direct confirmation

1756
01:23:02,390 --> 01:23:01,080
from the witnesses himself leads me to

1757
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:02,400
believe that there anywhere a whole

1758
01:23:06,530 --> 01:23:04,290
bunch of strange things going on there

1759
01:23:11,419 --> 01:23:06,540
at the ranch that were very different

1760
01:23:15,050 --> 01:23:11,429
from the kind of UFO sightings that jr.

1761
01:23:18,530 --> 01:23:15,060
and I were first able to investigate and

1762
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:18,540
not document with interviews that I

1763
01:23:28,700 --> 01:23:25,530
recorded way back in 68 so well having a

1764
01:23:30,979 --> 01:23:28,710
quiet avid interest in in the in the

1765
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:30,989
case and having done quite a bit of

1766
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:36,560
research created a bit of inroads and in

1767
01:23:41,990 --> 01:23:39,360
with sources from the area and other

1768
01:23:44,570 --> 01:23:42,000
investigators who have also have an

1769
01:23:47,470 --> 01:23:44,580
interest in the case it seems to me that

1770
01:23:50,660 --> 01:23:47,480
there has been an upsurge of activity

1771
01:23:53,810 --> 01:23:50,670
this past year for instance there are

1772
01:23:55,939 --> 01:23:53,820
rumors of interesting crypto humanoid

1773
01:24:00,560 --> 01:23:55,949
sightings right there in the middle of

1774
01:24:03,229 --> 01:24:00,570
town even and a lot of this smacks of of

1775
01:24:05,780 --> 01:24:03,239
the paranormal not necessarily of you

1776
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:05,790
know your nuts and bolts you Falah

1777
01:24:10,780 --> 01:24:08,880
djegal type phenomena how much to have

1778
01:24:14,270 --> 01:24:10,790
you researched into the actual ute

1779
01:24:15,950 --> 01:24:14,280
tradition as it relates to the path of

1780
01:24:18,290 --> 01:24:15,960
the skinwalker and some of these terms

1781
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:18,300
that have been sensationalized around

1782
01:24:23,930 --> 01:24:22,530
days I haven't had a chance to and I

1783
01:24:25,459 --> 01:24:23,940
don't know how I go about it because

1784
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:25,469
they don't like to talk to you if you're

1785
01:24:39,290 --> 01:24:36,290
the manifestation is this thing that we

1786
01:24:41,770 --> 01:24:39,300
call skinwalkers and it's that's a term

1787
01:24:44,270 --> 01:24:41,780
that's been among the Native Americans

1788
01:24:47,209 --> 01:24:44,280
long long time all over their country

1789
01:24:51,950 --> 01:24:47,219
according to wikipedia and a couple of

1790
01:24:54,379 --> 01:24:51,960
books that have been written jr had not

1791
01:24:57,919 --> 01:24:54,389
had any real contact with that sort of

1792
01:25:01,760 --> 01:24:57,929
thing until about two years ago i think

1793
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:01,770
two years ago last June and then a

1794
01:25:06,830 --> 01:25:04,800
couple of people reported stories of her

1795
01:25:09,589 --> 01:25:06,840
wolf who would appear at the side of the

1796
01:25:11,839 --> 01:25:09,599
road and in the headlights and then

1797
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:11,849
would stand up on its hind legs and run

1798
01:25:17,959 --> 01:25:13,650
across the road and turn around and run

1799
01:25:20,839 --> 01:25:17,969
back and scared the daylights people and

1800
01:25:22,540 --> 01:25:20,849
now he has sixteen of those kind of

1801
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:22,550
cases in his file

1802
01:25:29,270 --> 01:25:26,730
which as I've indicated would be a

1803
01:25:33,050 --> 01:25:29,280
sampling and not by any means a complete

1804
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:33,060
story I III that's right I think that

1805
01:25:38,359 --> 01:25:36,480
the these strange things have picked up

1806
01:25:41,540 --> 01:25:38,369
an activity a lot in the last couple of

1807
01:25:43,850 --> 01:25:41,550
years what do you think we need to do as

1808
01:25:46,850 --> 01:25:43,860
a you know as a scientific community

1809
01:25:48,830 --> 01:25:46,860
let's say do you think it's appropriate

1810
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:48,840
for someone like a Robert Bigelow to

1811
01:25:54,919 --> 01:25:51,690
come along and clamp a lid down on this

1812
01:25:58,189 --> 01:25:54,929
particular location do you feel that

1813
01:26:00,820 --> 01:25:58,199
there's a public right to know do you

1814
01:26:03,470 --> 01:26:00,830
think he should open this up to to the

1815
01:26:07,820 --> 01:26:03,480
you know to interested investigators who

1816
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:07,830
may come up with just some idea or

1817
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:10,170
approach that may break our

1818
01:26:14,300 --> 01:26:13,050
investigative case wide open do you how

1819
01:26:17,089 --> 01:26:14,310
do you feel about the whole Bigelow

1820
01:26:19,879 --> 01:26:17,099
scenario up there that's another tough

1821
01:26:21,470 --> 01:26:19,889
question I yeah I thought I would be

1822
01:26:23,359 --> 01:26:21,480
able to go on the ranch I called the

1823
01:26:26,030 --> 01:26:23,369
people who were living on the ranch jr.

1824
01:26:27,979 --> 01:26:26,040
gave me their number they said Oh we'd

1825
01:26:29,570 --> 01:26:27,989
love to see and you know and that'd be

1826
01:26:32,930 --> 01:26:29,580
great but we have to check with mr.

1827
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:32,940
Bigelow and three hours later I got a

1828
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:40,050
call saying it's an inappropriate time

1829
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:43,170
I'm not that was the mantra I mean

1830
01:26:46,430 --> 01:26:45,360
repeated several times it's just not a

1831
01:26:48,620 --> 01:26:46,440
good time

1832
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:48,630
and he wouldn't even tell me when the

1833
01:26:52,430 --> 01:26:50,730
ranch was at that time I didn't know for

1834
01:26:54,110 --> 01:26:52,440
sure of course I knew I could find out

1835
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:54,120
from jr. but

1836
01:27:00,200 --> 01:26:57,210
and I did find out from the gods Myers

1837
01:27:02,630 --> 01:27:00,210
who was the executor of the estate that

1838
01:27:07,310 --> 01:27:02,640
sold it to big blow into the previous

1839
01:27:10,730 --> 01:27:07,320
owner I don't know

1840
01:27:13,970 --> 01:27:10,740
I would like to see good scientific

1841
01:27:17,480 --> 01:27:13,980
studies photographs and all that but on

1842
01:27:23,390 --> 01:27:17,490
the other hand the publicity has

1843
01:27:25,250 --> 01:27:23,400
generated so many people going over

1844
01:27:26,990 --> 01:27:25,260
there to try and see flying saucers at

1845
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:27,000
night and all that I can sort of

1846
01:27:33,500 --> 01:27:30,000
understand why they why they have tried

1847
01:27:35,810 --> 01:27:33,510
to clamp down on it I don't know if

1848
01:27:38,270 --> 01:27:35,820
that's the reason or not but it sort of

1849
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:38,280
makes sense I we interviewed a guy last

1850
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:41,760
week who lives in Duchene and says he's

1851
01:27:48,740 --> 01:27:44,970
he goes to the ranch at night at least

1852
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:48,750
twice a week and he's got pictures the

1853
01:27:52,940 --> 01:27:50,610
pictures of little spots of light

1854
01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:52,950
against the black background I wasn't

1855
01:28:01,790 --> 01:27:57,330
terribly convinced and impressed with

1856
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:01,800
them but he's sort of typical well

1857
01:28:06,710 --> 01:28:04,770
typical he's more than typical but there

1858
01:28:08,570 --> 01:28:06,720
are a lot of people and it'll drive out

1859
01:28:13,370 --> 01:28:08,580
there from Salt Lake which is about a

1860
01:28:17,210 --> 01:28:13,380
two and a half three hour drive so I can

1861
01:28:20,780 --> 01:28:17,220
kind of understand why Bigelow would

1862
01:28:22,670 --> 01:28:20,790
like to not be bothered if he's really

1863
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:22,680
trying to investigate the phenomenon on

1864
01:28:26,990 --> 01:28:24,960
the other hand like you say science is

1865
01:28:31,820 --> 01:28:27,000
supposed to work that way where we're

1866
01:28:34,340 --> 01:28:31,830
supposed to communicate and everybody

1867
01:28:35,540 --> 01:28:34,350
give it some thought and that's so it

1868
01:28:38,090 --> 01:28:35,550
that's a hard question

1869
01:28:41,060 --> 01:28:38,100
you shouldn't have gatekeepers that who

1870
01:28:42,830 --> 01:28:41,070
say you can have this information you

1871
01:28:44,540 --> 01:28:42,840
can't have it I guess you know obviously

1872
01:28:46,730 --> 01:28:44,550
you might have to have some security

1873
01:28:48,530 --> 01:28:46,740
because you don't want everybody to

1874
01:28:52,420 --> 01:28:48,540
flood an area where something's going on

1875
01:28:56,900 --> 01:28:52,430
but there have to be limits right right

1876
01:28:58,610 --> 01:28:56,910
that's right I wish that they would be

1877
01:29:00,980 --> 01:28:58,620
more open about what they're doing and

1878
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:00,990
what's going on and that's that's a

1879
01:29:06,530 --> 01:29:04,050
really the important part of the way I

1880
01:29:07,500 --> 01:29:06,540
feel about it the other part is what I

1881
01:29:12,060 --> 01:29:07,510
talked about too

1882
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:12,070
and that is that they are indeed really

1883
01:29:16,620 --> 01:29:14,050
bothered by people who want to come and

1884
01:29:18,750 --> 01:29:16,630
fancy flying saucers for themselves I

1885
01:29:20,419 --> 01:29:18,760
also wonder if this could be as

1886
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:20,429
something we could raise in the next

1887
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:23,050
segment here guys and that is whether

1888
01:29:28,020 --> 01:29:25,840
sometimes the presence of all the

1889
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:28,030
witnesses wind to sit back and watch the

1890
01:29:34,830 --> 01:29:31,840
UFOs go by causes the UFOs not to want

1891
01:29:36,629 --> 01:29:34,840
to go by we have dr. Frank Salisbury our

1892
01:29:39,029 --> 01:29:36,639
guest this week Chris O'Brien's the

1893
01:29:40,890 --> 01:29:39,039
co-host I'm gene Steinberg you're in the

1894
01:29:49,270 --> 01:29:40,900
para cast

1895
01:29:52,070 --> 01:29:49,280
[Music]

1896
01:29:54,860 --> 01:29:52,080
are you ready to order the official

1897
01:29:56,930 --> 01:29:54,870
power cast t-shirt you asked we answered

1898
01:30:00,979 --> 01:29:56,940
we're now taking orders for the official

1899
01:30:03,260 --> 01:30:00,989
para cast t-shirt it comes in white 100%

1900
01:30:05,899 --> 01:30:03,270
cotton the front of it features the same

1901
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:05,909
logo that we have on our community

1902
01:30:12,110 --> 01:30:08,489
forums on the back it says separating

1903
01:30:14,270 --> 01:30:12,120
signal from noise to order the official

1904
01:30:16,580 --> 01:30:14,280
power cast t-shirt here's all you have

1905
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:16,590
to do visit our new online store at

1906
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:20,489
store dot the para cast dot-com one more

1907
01:30:25,910 --> 01:30:23,370
time that's store dot the para cast come

1908
01:30:28,700 --> 01:30:25,920
you can use a major credit card to place

1909
01:30:31,250 --> 01:30:28,710
your order for the official para cast

1910
01:30:33,290 --> 01:30:31,260
t-shirt hey neighbors we have one more

1911
01:30:35,660 --> 01:30:33,300
thing to talk about and that's more

1912
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:35,670
merchandise at the official power cast

1913
01:30:39,669 --> 01:30:38,010
store we have hats we have jackets we

1914
01:30:42,110 --> 01:30:39,679
even have a flip Video camcorder

1915
01:30:44,780 --> 01:30:42,120
customized with the power cast logo at

1916
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:44,790
the official para cast store it's all

1917
01:30:50,110 --> 01:30:46,770
now available at the official power cast

1918
01:30:53,689 --> 01:30:50,120
store store dot to the power cast come

1919
01:30:55,729 --> 01:30:53,699
hurricanes ice storms blackouts and the

1920
01:30:58,399 --> 01:30:55,739
prospect of civil unrest when the

1921
01:31:00,200 --> 01:30:58,409
unexpected happens will you be ready

1922
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:00,210
hundreds of concerned citizens across

1923
01:31:03,770 --> 01:31:02,370
America have already installed wind

1924
01:31:06,050 --> 01:31:03,780
generators to help protect their

1925
01:31:08,180 --> 01:31:06,060
families in the event of a disaster so

1926
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:08,190
act now and build your own wind

1927
01:31:12,830 --> 01:31:10,170
generator with an easy to assemble kit

1928
01:31:14,540 --> 01:31:12,840
from wind blue power calm wind blue

1929
01:31:16,939 --> 01:31:14,550
power carries the best battery-charging

1930
01:31:19,220 --> 01:31:16,949
wind generators and permanent magnet

1931
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:19,230
alternators in the country our 12 volt

1932
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:21,120
wind generator kits are also great for

1933
01:31:26,090 --> 01:31:23,370
small cabins and campers and all wind

1934
01:31:29,419 --> 01:31:26,100
blue power kids qualify for a 30% tax

1935
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:29,429
credit so get your discount now go to wi

1936
01:31:37,220 --> 01:31:34,050
ND b lu e power comm today and enter

1937
01:31:39,110 --> 01:31:37,230
coupon code radio for 5% off or simply

1938
01:31:41,870 --> 01:31:39,120
call eight hundred nine seven six zero

1939
01:31:44,300 --> 01:31:41,880
zero two six eight hundred nine seven

1940
01:31:46,910 --> 01:31:44,310
six zero zero two six protect your

1941
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:46,920
family's emergency energy needs now at

1942
01:31:52,490 --> 01:31:51,090
wind blue power calm is it really

1943
01:31:54,620 --> 01:31:52,500
possible to get out of debt without

1944
01:31:56,270 --> 01:31:54,630
payment plans or attorneys eighteen

1945
01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:56,280
years ago we developed a program that

1946
01:32:00,340 --> 01:31:58,560
has made thousands debt-free in just 90

1947
01:32:02,590 --> 01:32:00,350
days it's called zero debt

1948
01:32:04,540 --> 01:32:02,600
ninety days and it works for all credit

1949
01:32:06,970 --> 01:32:04,550
card debt medical bills even collection

1950
01:32:09,370 --> 01:32:06,980
lawsuits when I first joined I was being

1951
01:32:12,070 --> 01:32:09,380
sued so I used the program methods and

1952
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:12,080
after filing one piece of paper the

1953
01:32:15,910 --> 01:32:14,000
collection lawsuit was dismissed with

1954
01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:15,920
zero debt in 90 days your success is

1955
01:32:19,900 --> 01:32:17,840
guaranteed in writing there is no other

1956
01:32:21,910 --> 01:32:19,910
program of its kind don't be alone with

1957
01:32:23,710 --> 01:32:21,920
creditors gang up on you let our team of

1958
01:32:25,810 --> 01:32:23,720
experts provide the resources to fight

1959
01:32:28,180 --> 01:32:25,820
back and stop creditors in only 90 days

1960
01:32:30,010 --> 01:32:28,190
guaranteed prevent wage garnishments

1961
01:32:31,990 --> 01:32:30,020
Bank levies and stop collection calls

1962
01:32:34,210 --> 01:32:32,000
with our proven program calls zero debt

1963
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:34,220
in 90 days now eight hundred four seven

1964
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:36,650
seven nine two five six and ask for free

1965
01:32:40,210 --> 01:32:38,210
information from an expert who also

1966
01:32:42,580 --> 01:32:40,220
completed our program eight hundred four

1967
01:32:44,980 --> 01:32:42,590
seventy seven nine two five six or zero

1968
01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:44,990
debt guaranteed com eight hundred four

1969
01:32:50,950 --> 01:32:47,450
seven seven nine two five six or zero

1970
01:32:52,270 --> 01:32:50,960
debt guaranteed com if the cost of your

1971
01:32:54,730 --> 01:32:52,280
prescriptions are getting out of control

1972
01:32:57,310 --> 01:32:54,740
you want to listen carefully to this rx

1973
01:32:59,110 --> 01:32:57,320
drug card calm is a simple innovative

1974
01:33:01,270 --> 01:32:59,120
program designed to give individuals the

1975
01:33:03,250 --> 01:33:01,280
same purchasing power as large HMOs and

1976
01:33:05,620 --> 01:33:03,260
insurance companies as a member of our

1977
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:05,630
extra cart comm you'll enjoy savings of

1978
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:07,370
up to eighty percent on all prescription

1979
01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:09,650
medications at over fifty two thousand

1980
01:33:13,420 --> 01:33:11,450
USA pharmacies including Walmart

1981
01:33:15,550 --> 01:33:13,430
Walgreens and ecords don't risk ruining

1982
01:33:17,290 --> 01:33:15,560
your health by using cheap counterfeit

1983
01:33:19,570 --> 01:33:17,300
foreign drugs this program provides

1984
01:33:21,820 --> 01:33:19,580
savings on safe genuine fda-approved

1985
01:33:23,470 --> 01:33:21,830
medications with low membership fees

1986
01:33:25,060 --> 01:33:23,480
unlimited use no age or income

1987
01:33:27,310 --> 01:33:25,070
requirements and coverage for all

1988
01:33:29,530 --> 01:33:27,320
pre-existing conditions our extra cart

1989
01:33:31,090 --> 01:33:29,540
comp is an absolute must for anyone who

1990
01:33:32,860 --> 01:33:31,100
pays for their own prescriptions and

1991
01:33:36,070 --> 01:33:32,870
roll today for as little as four fifty

1992
01:33:38,110 --> 01:33:36,080
per month at WWE rx drug card calm and

1993
01:33:39,940 --> 01:33:38,120
start saving immediately rx drug card

1994
01:33:40,750 --> 01:33:39,950
comm is backed by a 30-day money-back

1995
01:33:43,150 --> 01:33:40,760
guarantee

1996
01:33:44,860 --> 01:33:43,160
visit rx drug card comm or call eight

1997
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:44,870
eight eight two one six twenty four

1998
01:33:55,290 --> 01:33:46,610
sixty one that's eight eight eight two

1999
01:33:58,700 --> 01:33:55,300
one six 2461 on air online and on demand

2000
01:34:03,350 --> 01:33:58,710
we are the gcn

2001
01:34:06,410 --> 01:34:03,360
Network hi this is Don Ecker and you are

2002
01:34:08,690 --> 01:34:06,420
tuned into the para cast let me tell you

2003
01:34:11,660 --> 01:34:08,700
what you're gonna hear stuff here that

2004
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:11,670
you probably won't hear anywhere else

2005
01:34:17,750 --> 01:34:15,330
hear that George snoring dr. Frank

2006
01:34:19,310 --> 01:34:17,760
Salisbury is the guest this week the

2007
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:19,320
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

2008
01:34:23,810 --> 01:34:21,690
Steinberg you're in the para cast before

2009
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:23,820
Chris picks up on the question I'll ask

2010
01:34:28,130 --> 01:34:26,130
that one of you dr. Salzburg and that is

2011
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:28,140
do you think there's any evidence that

2012
01:34:34,390 --> 01:34:30,810
when lots of people pile up to see the

2013
01:34:38,420 --> 01:34:34,400
recurring events they stop recurring

2014
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:38,430
possibly I am I guess the evidence that

2015
01:34:43,910 --> 01:34:41,250
I see is kind of the opposite and that's

2016
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:43,920
a reason for the title of my book which

2017
01:34:51,830 --> 01:34:49,530
is the Utah UFO display it became very

2018
01:34:55,090 --> 01:34:51,840
compelling to me when we did the

2019
01:34:59,390 --> 01:34:55,100
original interviews in the late 60s that

2020
01:35:02,300 --> 01:34:59,400
the phenomenon the UFOs wanted to be

2021
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:02,310
seen and once they were seen they wanted

2022
01:35:08,959 --> 01:35:05,690
to not be believed particularly and I

2023
01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:08,969
think I would still have that that

2024
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:12,000
general conclusion they are trying to

2025
01:35:16,550 --> 01:35:14,610
manipulate us and they want I wish I

2026
01:35:18,140 --> 01:35:16,560
knew how to prove it and to investigate

2027
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:18,150
it but they want somebody like George

2028
01:35:24,979 --> 01:35:22,080
Adamski to go tell the world how there

2029
01:35:27,770 --> 01:35:24,989
are rivers and streams and snow-capped

2030
01:35:29,300 --> 01:35:27,780
peaks on the other side of the Moon so

2031
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:29,310
that the world will know that he's crazy

2032
01:35:36,490 --> 01:35:34,410
and maybe he is and maybe he isn't no we

2033
01:35:38,660 --> 01:35:36,500
all know that there are no streams and

2034
01:35:42,590 --> 01:35:38,670
snow-capped peaks on the other side of

2035
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:42,600
the Moon but was that because the people

2036
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:46,650
who contacted Adamski misled him or is

2037
01:35:51,770 --> 01:35:49,050
it because he was lying and making up

2038
01:35:53,900 --> 01:35:51,780
stories and I don't know how to really

2039
01:35:56,420 --> 01:35:53,910
get at that he had some photographs so

2040
01:35:58,760 --> 01:35:56,430
that were obviously fake so I guess I

2041
01:36:02,270 --> 01:35:58,770
would tend toward he was writing a novel

2042
01:36:05,390 --> 01:36:02,280
explanation but he claimed to have been

2043
01:36:07,670 --> 01:36:05,400
on those spaceships and so on and and

2044
01:36:11,580 --> 01:36:07,680
that complicates the whole business that

2045
01:36:15,930 --> 01:36:11,590
I do think it it seems to be apparent

2046
01:36:17,910 --> 01:36:15,940
we are being manipulated we believe what

2047
01:36:20,850 --> 01:36:17,920
they want us to believe and it changes

2048
01:36:24,270 --> 01:36:20,860
over time Jacques brulee has talked

2049
01:36:26,100 --> 01:36:24,280
about fairies and elves and tended to

2050
01:36:28,650 --> 01:36:26,110
put them in the same categories and

2051
01:36:31,860 --> 01:36:28,660
incidentally we heard an elf story a

2052
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:31,870
week ago out in the Uintah Basin was

2053
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:35,650
very interesting little story the elf

2054
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:38,770
appeared in the kids room about 12

2055
01:36:42,630 --> 01:36:39,930
inches high

2056
01:36:45,300 --> 01:36:42,640
little humanoid thing pretty much

2057
01:36:49,230 --> 01:36:45,310
covered with hair and after a second or

2058
01:36:51,810 --> 01:36:49,240
two jumped out the window I don't know

2059
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:51,820
what to make of that but that's not the

2060
01:36:55,110 --> 01:36:53,410
only story of that kind that's been

2061
01:36:59,160 --> 01:36:55,120
generated up there according to my

2062
01:37:01,470 --> 01:36:59,170
research and I think on Indian

2063
01:37:04,890 --> 01:37:01,480
reservations throughout the Rocky

2064
01:37:06,930 --> 01:37:04,900
Mountain region especially there are the

2065
01:37:11,490 --> 01:37:06,940
ancient oral traditions relating to

2066
01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:11,500
diminutive hairy dwarves 2 to 3 feet

2067
01:37:17,190 --> 01:37:14,080
tall there's a case from the early 90s

2068
01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:17,200
and the Dulce casino parking lot where

2069
01:37:22,950 --> 01:37:20,080
the these entities were jumping from car

2070
01:37:25,770 --> 01:37:22,960
to car out there in the parking lot this

2071
01:37:29,010 --> 01:37:25,780
this is something that I think it falls

2072
01:37:32,490 --> 01:37:29,020
into a giggle factor sometimes in

2073
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:32,500
oftentimes UFO sightings have an element

2074
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:35,250
that is so off the scale in

2075
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:39,370
believability that people tend to if

2076
01:37:43,740 --> 01:37:41,650
they are truthful in relating their

2077
01:37:47,480 --> 01:37:43,750
experience and relate the entire

2078
01:37:50,970 --> 01:37:47,490
experience including the inexplicable

2079
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:50,980
impossible sounding elements there they

2080
01:37:56,010 --> 01:37:53,170
tend to be disbelieved so I think I've

2081
01:37:58,140 --> 01:37:56,020
seen in my own investigative work over

2082
01:38:01,230 --> 01:37:58,150
the 18 or so years I've been doing this

2083
01:38:03,540 --> 01:38:01,240
that people are real reticent to give

2084
01:38:05,610 --> 01:38:03,550
the details that that seemed so high

2085
01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:05,620
strange it calls the entire account into

2086
01:38:10,380 --> 01:38:09,040
question and in in your work do you have

2087
01:38:13,650 --> 01:38:10,390
you found that have you found people

2088
01:38:15,570 --> 01:38:13,660
that that tend to stick to the more

2089
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:15,580
mundane facts about a case and then

2090
01:38:19,950 --> 01:38:18,370
later on once they once they get you

2091
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:19,960
know more familiar with you and more

2092
01:38:24,300 --> 01:38:22,210
comfortable then they say well there's

2093
01:38:25,580 --> 01:38:24,310
something I didn't tell you about that

2094
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:25,590
sort of thing

2095
01:38:31,020 --> 01:38:29,170
sort of yeah I think that that's a real

2096
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:31,030
part of the Sonoma I mean what would you

2097
01:38:44,910 --> 01:38:39,730
do my first wife's uncle on his wife and

2098
01:38:48,020 --> 01:38:44,920
and one son were flying over you a Utah

2099
01:38:52,470 --> 01:38:48,030
Lake on the way to Salt Lake City and in

2100
01:38:55,500 --> 01:38:52,480
1947 about 10 days after Arnold had his

2101
01:38:58,049 --> 01:38:55,510
sightings up around mountain air and

2102
01:39:00,030 --> 01:38:58,059
here come this formation of saucers and

2103
01:39:03,540 --> 01:39:00,040
fly right under the wing he thought

2104
01:39:05,459 --> 01:39:03,550
maybe his closest 50 feet he turns the

2105
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:05,469
plane as sharply as he can to try and

2106
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:07,090
follow them and he just sees him

2107
01:39:12,689 --> 01:39:10,570
disappear in the distance and he tells a

2108
01:39:16,649 --> 01:39:12,699
couple of people and the people laugh

2109
01:39:19,020 --> 01:39:16,659
and that's the last time he tells it and

2110
01:39:22,580 --> 01:39:19,030
but it got around within the family and

2111
01:39:25,319 --> 01:39:22,590
so when I was doing the research drive

2112
01:39:28,770 --> 01:39:25,329
my wife told me about him and I wrote a

2113
01:39:32,419 --> 01:39:28,780
letter and he sent me an account which

2114
01:39:36,299 --> 01:39:32,429
is in the well both editions of the book

2115
01:39:39,270 --> 01:39:36,309
and but as you're talking the thing that

2116
01:39:41,700 --> 01:39:39,280
seems very important and obvious to me

2117
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:41,710
is that that people who have these

2118
01:39:49,830 --> 01:39:46,570
experience experiences would really like

2119
01:39:52,620 --> 01:39:49,840
to be heard and be believed I've

2120
01:39:56,660 --> 01:39:52,630
encountered that over and over and a

2121
01:40:00,169 --> 01:39:56,670
recent story of from the Uintah Basin

2122
01:40:03,149 --> 01:40:00,179
very incredible sort of a thing namely

2123
01:40:05,609 --> 01:40:03,159
just to make it much much shorter than

2124
01:40:09,060 --> 01:40:05,619
it really is the guy is speeding along

2125
01:40:12,209 --> 01:40:09,070
in the in the car with his date and it's

2126
01:40:16,229 --> 01:40:12,219
being pursued by the UFO and he floors

2127
01:40:19,169 --> 01:40:16,239
his mother's new Pontiac which had to go

2128
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:19,179
110 miles an hour and had long ago 40

2129
01:40:27,359 --> 01:40:24,610
and he sees the fence post going by in a

2130
01:40:29,549 --> 01:40:27,369
typical way they go by when he's going

2131
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:29,559
40 it just doesn't he doesn't think it's

2132
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:32,530
an illusion it's for real and and then

2133
01:40:37,740 --> 01:40:35,530
he goes by that big yellow hill out

2134
01:40:39,010 --> 01:40:37,750
there which I photographed a couple of

2135
01:40:41,470 --> 01:40:39,020
weeks ago again

2136
01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:41,480
and the whole thing is shining green in

2137
01:40:46,959 --> 01:40:44,960
the middle of the night and again he

2138
01:40:48,850 --> 01:40:46,969
tells a few people they laugh a demon

2139
01:40:52,510 --> 01:40:48,860
and that's pretty much it

2140
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:52,520
and when he talked to us he just he

2141
01:40:57,910 --> 01:40:55,130
expressed the idea that he was so

2142
01:41:00,220 --> 01:40:57,920
grateful that he had someone who would

2143
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:00,230
listen to him and who would not make fun

2144
01:41:05,860 --> 01:41:03,890
of his experience and I think that's

2145
01:41:10,180 --> 01:41:05,870
kind of typical that been your

2146
01:41:12,970 --> 01:41:10,190
experience - absolutely being local in

2147
01:41:16,180 --> 01:41:12,980
the area I found also helped immensely

2148
01:41:18,780 --> 01:41:16,190
and when people word got around that

2149
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:18,790
there was someone who was objective who

2150
01:41:26,770 --> 01:41:23,330
was you know looked at this stuff from a

2151
01:41:30,150 --> 01:41:26,780
kind in general perspective and not from

2152
01:41:32,290 --> 01:41:30,160
a place of subjective judgmentalism I

2153
01:41:36,220 --> 01:41:32,300
reports just came out of the woodwork

2154
01:41:38,020 --> 01:41:36,230
and you know Ron Regehr who's there in

2155
01:41:40,930 --> 01:41:38,030
Utah made a very interesting observation

2156
01:41:42,340 --> 01:41:40,940
a number of years into my investigative

2157
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:42,350
work he said isn't it interesting that

2158
01:41:47,229 --> 01:41:44,930
that you should arrive and and nothing

2159
01:41:49,150 --> 01:41:47,239
really seems to be going on in an area

2160
01:41:50,770 --> 01:41:49,160
you start to do a little digging around

2161
01:41:53,530 --> 01:41:50,780
people find out and all of a sudden you

2162
01:41:55,900 --> 01:41:53,540
have flap levels of activity is his

2163
01:41:57,850 --> 01:41:55,910
suggestion being that that activity is

2164
01:42:00,400 --> 01:41:57,860
always going on it's the fact that

2165
01:42:02,860 --> 01:42:00,410
somebody is there that people can trust

2166
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:02,870
and and and they know that they I won't

2167
01:42:06,700 --> 01:42:04,850
violate their request for anonymity and

2168
01:42:08,979 --> 01:42:06,710
then boom they open up and the

2169
01:42:12,130 --> 01:42:08,989
floodgates open up yes that has been my

2170
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:12,140
yeah my experience absolutely now we

2171
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:13,610
were discussing that a minute ago in

2172
01:42:19,300 --> 01:42:16,250
relation to junior Hicks in the cases as

2173
01:42:21,459 --> 01:42:19,310
he had he he was given these cases to a

2174
01:42:23,860 --> 01:42:21,469
great extent because he was a science

2175
01:42:27,670 --> 01:42:23,870
teacher and he was respected and he was

2176
01:42:30,490 --> 01:42:27,680
the the secretary of this to the state

2177
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:30,500
presidents in the church between those

2178
01:42:36,190 --> 01:42:34,610
two things he was respected enough that

2179
01:42:40,270 --> 01:42:36,200
people were willing to tell him their

2180
01:42:43,510 --> 01:42:40,280
stories and I think that's indeed a very

2181
01:42:45,010 --> 01:42:43,520
important part of the phenomenon I want

2182
01:42:46,930 --> 01:42:45,020
to ask you something that occurs to me

2183
01:42:49,490 --> 01:42:46,940
as I listen to this here that you know

2184
01:42:51,290 --> 01:42:49,500
you get people to trust you and they

2185
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:51,300
open up and they tell you things about

2186
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:53,570
the experiences that may be far more

2187
01:42:58,160 --> 01:42:56,130
wide-reaching do you think that's one of

2188
01:43:01,160 --> 01:42:58,170
the reasons why some people are stuck in

2189
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:01,170
the ET rut and now I'm going to get

2190
01:43:06,260 --> 01:43:03,360
criticisms from that statement but

2191
01:43:09,020 --> 01:43:06,270
they're stuck on eating rotten because

2192
01:43:11,870 --> 01:43:09,030
of the fact that they're looking for one

2193
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:11,880
kind of answer and they're not open to

2194
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:14,610
the rest of the story you know one size

2195
01:43:18,940 --> 01:43:15,810
does not fit all

2196
01:43:22,340 --> 01:43:18,950
sure I think it's got to be the case

2197
01:43:25,730 --> 01:43:22,350
there was enough strangeness back when I

2198
01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:25,740
wrote the book in 1974 that led me to

2199
01:43:32,500 --> 01:43:29,760
question the EP hypothesis things like

2200
01:43:34,990 --> 01:43:32,510
old villas boss Donna Brazile

2201
01:43:42,710 --> 01:43:35,000
essentially being raped by a space lady

2202
01:43:45,380 --> 01:43:42,720
who barked like an animal but compared

2203
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:45,390
to now there was very little of that

2204
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:47,520
sort of things enough so to make me very

2205
01:43:53,290 --> 01:43:50,090
skeptical of the ET hypothesis I I

2206
01:43:56,420 --> 01:43:53,300
expressed that in the first edition and

2207
01:43:58,310 --> 01:43:56,430
in this edition I don't just kind of

2208
01:44:01,520 --> 01:43:58,320
handout it I can't come out and say it I

2209
01:44:03,980 --> 01:44:01,530
just can't accept the nuts and bolts

2210
01:44:05,630 --> 01:44:03,990
anymore this is something I wanted to

2211
01:44:07,820 --> 01:44:05,640
talk to you about in more detail as

2212
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:07,830
Christa's as we progressed during the

2213
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:10,290
final few segments of the show we have

2214
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:13,650
dr. Frank cells very making a rare radio

2215
01:44:17,660 --> 01:44:15,810
appearance I gather after this he may

2216
01:44:18,140 --> 01:44:17,670
never want to come on radio again no I'm

2217
01:44:19,910 --> 01:44:18,150
kidding

2218
01:44:22,610 --> 01:44:19,920
but he has a new edition of his book for

2219
01:44:24,980 --> 01:44:22,620
Utah UFO display a scientists report

2220
01:44:27,260 --> 01:44:24,990
which is now available so you'll want to

2221
01:44:29,570 --> 01:44:27,270
order a copy Chris O'Brien's the co-host

2222
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:29,580
I'm gene Steinberg you're in the para

2223
01:44:42,370 --> 01:44:39,570
[Music]

2224
01:44:44,620 --> 01:44:42,380
hi Ted Anderson announcing a great way

2225
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:44,630
to listen to radio on the telephone by

2226
01:44:48,910 --> 01:44:46,850
calling seven six oh five six nine

2227
01:44:52,180 --> 01:44:48,920
seventy seven hundred you'll be hearing

2228
01:44:54,460 --> 01:44:52,190
GCM live.com programs in seconds come to

2229
01:44:56,740 --> 01:44:54,470
GC and live.com find your favorite host

2230
01:44:59,770 --> 01:44:56,750
dedicated phone number and hear them

2231
01:45:02,560 --> 01:44:59,780
24/7 you heard me right every show has a

2232
01:45:04,780 --> 01:45:02,570
dedicated phone number stop by GC and

2233
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:04,790
live.com and bookmark their number today

2234
01:45:10,510 --> 01:45:07,610
and again that's seven six oh five six

2235
01:45:12,010 --> 01:45:10,520
nine seventy seven hundred hi this is

2236
01:45:14,050 --> 01:45:12,020
Ted Anderson have you ever wondered why

2237
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:14,060
banks stockbrokers investment advisors

2238
01:45:17,740 --> 01:45:16,010
won't talk about gold IRAs they've been

2239
01:45:19,480 --> 01:45:17,750
available since nineteen eighty six yet

2240
01:45:21,010 --> 01:45:19,490
the financial industry won't recognize

2241
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:21,020
the value of gold for your retirement

2242
01:45:25,480 --> 01:45:23,330
goal has outperformed paper investments

2243
01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:25,490
yet no word about IRAs if you would like

2244
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:39,840
806-853-9949

2245
01:46:01,020 --> 01:45:58,859
dr. Frank Salisbury joining us this week

2246
01:46:03,149 --> 01:46:01,030
Chris O'Brien's the co-host I'm Jean

2247
01:46:05,700 --> 01:46:03,159
Steinberg you're in the power cast and

2248
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:05,710
we're exploring all the instances of

2249
01:46:10,950 --> 01:46:08,170
high strangeness that are disclosed when

2250
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:10,960
you start talking to people now one

2251
01:46:15,570 --> 01:46:12,570
thing I've noticed here is the way

2252
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:15,580
belief systems have altered in the UFO

2253
01:46:19,620 --> 01:46:17,170
field over the years and maybe we can

2254
01:46:22,050 --> 01:46:19,630
address this so for example in the early

2255
01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:22,060
years and I'm talking about the modern

2256
01:46:27,510 --> 01:46:24,489
UFO eras starting in 1947 with the

2257
01:46:29,250 --> 01:46:27,520
Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting and maybe

2258
01:46:31,830 --> 01:46:29,260
Roswell maybe not we can get into that

2259
01:46:33,780 --> 01:46:31,840
and then the prevailing belief in the

2260
01:46:36,300 --> 01:46:33,790
early years was that UFOs were

2261
01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:36,310
manifestations of ET we have people like

2262
01:46:41,820 --> 01:46:37,570
dr. Salsbury

2263
01:46:43,620 --> 01:46:41,830
and John keel and dr. Jacques filet

2264
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:43,630
suggesting there's a lot more going on

2265
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:46,210
there but nowadays you look at the UFO

2266
01:46:51,990 --> 01:46:49,449
field and people are back in the et rut

2267
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:52,000
why is it moving into that cyclist all

2268
01:46:56,040 --> 01:46:54,449
the research that's been ongoing

2269
01:46:57,020 --> 01:46:56,050
demonstrating it's a lot more

2270
01:47:00,030 --> 01:46:57,030
complicated

2271
01:47:04,859 --> 01:47:00,040
dr. Salsbury why are so many people

2272
01:47:07,550 --> 01:47:04,869
still stuck in ET land I could say you

2273
01:47:10,709 --> 01:47:07,560
tell me but I think a big chunk of it is

2274
01:47:15,060 --> 01:47:10,719
ignorance the people are unaware these

2275
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:15,070
these things that are making the rest of

2276
01:47:20,700 --> 01:47:19,050
us wonder and another big chunk of it is

2277
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:20,710
the media

2278
01:47:30,990 --> 01:47:28,090
in all its cartoons and it's it's always

2279
01:47:34,050 --> 01:47:31,000
the spaceship with somebody getting out

2280
01:47:36,990 --> 01:47:34,060
and saying take me to your leader and or

2281
01:47:39,410 --> 01:47:37,000
you know some punchline but always as

2282
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:39,420
though it were a little green man from

2283
01:47:44,970 --> 01:47:43,090
some nearby star system and it's in a

2284
01:47:46,350 --> 01:47:44,980
spaceship well you know they want to

2285
01:47:48,390 --> 01:47:46,360
have something simple you know if it's a

2286
01:47:51,089 --> 01:47:48,400
show business yeah show business has to

2287
01:47:53,339 --> 01:47:51,099
be accessible and having a strange

2288
01:47:55,169 --> 01:47:53,349
mystery where they might be from other

2289
01:47:58,229 --> 01:47:55,179
dimensions it may be something that

2290
01:48:01,080 --> 01:47:58,239
impinges on our conscious memories maybe

2291
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:01,090
we alter the experience by the mirror

2292
01:48:06,180 --> 01:48:03,730
aspect of experiencing it all this

2293
01:48:08,129 --> 01:48:06,190
complicated stuff people want black or

2294
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:08,139
white answers they don't want the shades

2295
01:48:11,729 --> 01:48:09,130
of grey

2296
01:48:15,780 --> 01:48:11,739
I think that's about right and well and

2297
01:48:18,750 --> 01:48:15,790
many many people don't want to be

2298
01:48:20,010 --> 01:48:18,760
involved it's just there's things I

2299
01:48:21,870 --> 01:48:20,020
don't want to be involved in because

2300
01:48:24,500 --> 01:48:21,880
they're too time-consuming they're

2301
01:48:27,899 --> 01:48:24,510
interesting I would like to be a

2302
01:48:29,910 --> 01:48:27,909
specialist on the medieval art or

2303
01:48:33,540 --> 01:48:29,920
something like that but I can't be a

2304
01:48:36,290 --> 01:48:33,550
specialist than everything and happens

2305
01:48:40,590 --> 01:48:36,300
that I decided I would I would like to

2306
01:48:43,100 --> 01:48:40,600
pursue the UFO mystery but I think a lot

2307
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:43,110
of people are in that situation it's a

2308
01:48:46,860 --> 01:48:45,370
something they're vaguely aware of

2309
01:48:52,530 --> 01:48:46,870
partly because of all these stupid

2310
01:48:54,959 --> 01:48:52,540
cartoons and and a few stories that have

2311
01:48:56,910 --> 01:48:54,969
been in the news and not very many for

2312
01:49:00,479 --> 01:48:56,920
long well let's see we do have the the

2313
01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:00,489
air force guys that just had their press

2314
01:49:07,110 --> 01:49:03,130
conference and told about the missiles

2315
01:49:10,770 --> 01:49:07,120
that were put out of effectiveness or

2316
01:49:13,590 --> 01:49:10,780
whatever they up in Montana and went

2317
01:49:14,939 --> 01:49:13,600
back 30 years or more but at least we

2318
01:49:17,910 --> 01:49:14,949
have had a little bit of publicity

2319
01:49:20,189 --> 01:49:17,920
recently but that was a nuts-and-bolts

2320
01:49:23,189 --> 01:49:20,199
type thing again it was a big UFO

2321
01:49:26,790 --> 01:49:23,199
hovering over the the central base you

2322
01:49:28,370 --> 01:49:26,800
probably know more about it and I do but

2323
01:49:30,959 --> 01:49:28,380
I did listen to their press conference

2324
01:49:34,950 --> 01:49:30,969
yeah but it's again it's a knee-jerk

2325
01:49:37,140 --> 01:49:34,960
reaction I think by most people that we

2326
01:49:39,479 --> 01:49:37,150
are dealing with extraterrestrials from

2327
01:49:42,180 --> 01:49:39,489
our planet it's the most convenient and

2328
01:49:44,669 --> 01:49:42,190
in many people's eyes the most logical

2329
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:44,679
explanation it lends itself to sound

2330
01:49:49,410 --> 01:49:47,770
bites that's right exactly yeah instead

2331
01:49:52,140 --> 01:49:49,420
little green men now it's little gray

2332
01:49:54,959 --> 01:49:52,150
men so we have progressed we progressed

2333
01:49:58,260 --> 01:49:54,969
in our color uh scenario a little bit or

2334
01:50:03,899 --> 01:49:58,270
at least our perception of et has become

2335
01:50:06,450 --> 01:50:03,909
greater over the years yeah I don't want

2336
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:06,460
to get into the abduction thing because

2337
01:50:12,300 --> 01:50:09,489
I know so little about it but that's a

2338
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:12,310
big part of the phenomenon you mentioned

2339
01:50:16,530 --> 01:50:13,810
the little gray men and they're called

2340
01:50:18,390 --> 01:50:16,540
greys and they're the ones who show up

2341
01:50:21,300 --> 01:50:18,400
in the bedroom in the middle of the

2342
01:50:22,669 --> 01:50:21,310
night and all the poor victim off onto

2343
01:50:27,350 --> 01:50:22,679
the spaceship and

2344
01:50:30,380 --> 01:50:27,360
back after they're through with them but

2345
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:30,390
they're always the grace and nearly

2346
01:50:36,040 --> 01:50:32,730
always and then there may be typical

2347
01:50:39,950 --> 01:50:36,050
humans in other cases that are seen and

2348
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:39,960
again I far as I'm concerned they could

2349
01:50:46,330 --> 01:50:43,489
all be skinwalkers that is they could be

2350
01:50:51,140 --> 01:50:46,340
manifestations that are produced

2351
01:50:53,450 --> 01:50:51,150
disguises by the whatever the

2352
01:50:54,740 --> 01:50:53,460
intelligence is is directing it and I

2353
01:50:56,840 --> 01:50:54,750
think that's one thing that's pretty

2354
01:51:00,800 --> 01:50:56,850
clear there's an intelligence directing

2355
01:51:03,080 --> 01:51:00,810
it some justice tricksters yeah there's

2356
01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:03,090
there's definite element of trickery

2357
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:04,800
involved I've always found it

2358
01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:06,810
interesting that prior to whitley

2359
01:51:14,390 --> 01:51:09,690
strieber x' book communion and with with

2360
01:51:16,399 --> 01:51:14,400
a few rare exceptions primarily reports

2361
01:51:19,689 --> 01:51:16,409
of diminutive greys with almond big

2362
01:51:22,070 --> 01:51:19,699
almond shaped eyes where the exclusive

2363
01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:22,080
with the exclusive property of the

2364
01:51:26,959 --> 01:51:23,610
United States and I find it interesting

2365
01:51:30,169 --> 01:51:26,969
over the last 25 30 years that we now

2366
01:51:33,649 --> 01:51:30,179
have greys being reported in all over

2367
01:51:35,780 --> 01:51:33,659
the country in the 60s and 50s in South

2368
01:51:38,450 --> 01:51:35,790
America you never hear reports of little

2369
01:51:40,430 --> 01:51:38,460
greys there are mostly hairy dwarves in

2370
01:51:43,130 --> 01:51:40,440
Russia you have their own they have

2371
01:51:48,580 --> 01:51:43,140
their own sort of cultural sort of

2372
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:48,590
version of these beans it seemed to be

2373
01:51:54,620 --> 01:51:51,690
more of a sub cultural interpretation

2374
01:51:56,660 --> 01:51:54,630
until we get into a worldwide mass media

2375
01:51:58,610 --> 01:51:56,670
scenario where where you have rays

2376
01:52:00,979 --> 01:51:58,620
reported all over the all over the world

2377
01:52:03,979 --> 01:52:00,989
and and I think that not enough work has

2378
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:03,989
been done I think sociologically looking

2379
01:52:08,120 --> 01:52:06,210
at that particular phenomenon you know I

2380
01:52:10,189 --> 01:52:08,130
wanted to ask you before we go on there

2381
01:52:13,580 --> 01:52:10,199
dr. Salzburg do you think maybe the

2382
01:52:17,330 --> 01:52:13,590
phenomenon kind of alters itself to

2383
01:52:20,540 --> 01:52:17,340
where our culture is like or our culture

2384
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:20,550
just allows us to see something in a

2385
01:52:24,979 --> 01:52:23,370
different way we see it based on what

2386
01:52:28,070 --> 01:52:24,989
our conditioning might be so now we

2387
01:52:30,110 --> 01:52:28,080
expect et not to be blonde Venusians

2388
01:52:32,090 --> 01:52:30,120
with silvery suits like of course

2389
01:52:35,060 --> 01:52:32,100
Michael Rennie in the movie Day the

2390
01:52:36,200 --> 01:52:35,070
Earth Stood Still from 1951 we expect

2391
01:52:38,300 --> 01:52:36,210
gray alien

2392
01:52:40,670 --> 01:52:38,310
that's a great movie incidentally it is

2393
01:52:43,490 --> 01:52:40,680
the react sucked yeah well you're

2394
01:52:49,150 --> 01:52:43,500
basically saying what I might have said

2395
01:52:51,830 --> 01:52:49,160
and namely that there's at least two

2396
01:52:54,590 --> 01:52:51,840
possibilities in this whole deal and and

2397
01:52:57,430 --> 01:52:54,600
one is that it's the collective

2398
01:53:00,260 --> 01:52:57,440
consciousness the the mind that it's all

2399
01:53:01,970 --> 01:53:00,270
psychological and people they expect to

2400
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:01,980
see Gray's and so that's what they see

2401
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:03,930
and of course the alternative is that

2402
01:53:10,180 --> 01:53:07,170
the intelligence whatever it is the

2403
01:53:17,690 --> 01:53:10,190
aliens I never know what to call them

2404
01:53:20,420 --> 01:53:17,700
others the others they they determine

2405
01:53:22,459 --> 01:53:20,430
what we see and they either alter their

2406
01:53:26,150 --> 01:53:22,469
appearance or send in a different

2407
01:53:28,160 --> 01:53:26,160
squadron or something but well they of

2408
01:53:35,810 --> 01:53:28,170
course made that point very strongly

2409
01:53:39,910 --> 01:53:35,820
back as early as the sixties the the

2410
01:53:44,990 --> 01:53:39,920
common example is the spaceships of 1897

2411
01:53:49,070 --> 01:53:45,000
98 that link right in there as I'm sure

2412
01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:49,080
you know well people know what a couple

2413
01:53:55,070 --> 01:53:52,530
of hundred documented cases of people

2414
01:53:57,229 --> 01:53:55,080
reporting these spaceships and they

2415
01:54:00,260 --> 01:53:57,239
basically fit the science fiction

2416
01:54:03,590 --> 01:54:00,270
version or spaceships that was common at

2417
01:54:09,620 --> 01:54:03,600
that time and we now know that they

2418
01:54:12,709 --> 01:54:09,630
wouldn't fly and the descriptions are

2419
01:54:16,150 --> 01:54:12,719
the big clanking steam engine machines

2420
01:54:19,250 --> 01:54:16,160
on the outside of the of the blinking

2421
01:54:20,930 --> 01:54:19,260
ships and oftentimes they would be seen

2422
01:54:23,090 --> 01:54:20,940
on the ground having tinkering with them

2423
01:54:25,190 --> 01:54:23,100
because they needed to be repaired some

2424
01:54:26,959 --> 01:54:25,200
of those the it's very fascinating well

2425
01:54:29,150 --> 01:54:26,969
you know ships of course had serious

2426
01:54:30,650 --> 01:54:29,160
problems especially in those days you

2427
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:30,660
know until they got the internal

2428
01:54:36,590 --> 01:54:33,930
combustion engine you know that's it now

2429
01:54:38,180 --> 01:54:36,600
of course they use hybrid alien

2430
01:54:39,830 --> 01:54:38,190
spaceships you know you know about the

2431
01:54:42,950 --> 01:54:39,840
hybrids of course you know we have a

2432
01:54:45,320 --> 01:54:42,960
Toyota Prius they have an et Prius you

2433
01:54:46,970 --> 01:54:45,330
know because it was made with alien

2434
01:54:48,740 --> 01:54:46,980
technology I'm starting a whole mystique

2435
01:54:51,170 --> 01:54:48,750
here by the way yeah

2436
01:54:52,670 --> 01:54:51,180
piloted by human-alien hybrids that's

2437
01:54:54,710 --> 01:54:52,680
right well and then we get into the

2438
01:54:57,050 --> 01:54:54,720
discussion we had before you joined us

2439
01:54:59,750 --> 01:54:57,060
dr. Salsbury about some people who

2440
01:55:03,500 --> 01:54:59,760
believe there are human-alien hybrids

2441
01:55:05,780 --> 01:55:03,510
and that ET may be coming here to seed a

2442
01:55:08,750 --> 01:55:05,790
new race because their race is dying

2443
01:55:12,590 --> 01:55:08,760
they basically don't have fertility

2444
01:55:14,510 --> 01:55:12,600
issues anymore they the women or females

2445
01:55:17,300 --> 01:55:14,520
of their species don't give birth so

2446
01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:17,310
they have to you know mate with the

2447
01:55:22,970 --> 01:55:19,170
daughters of men and we're going into a

2448
01:55:25,550 --> 01:55:22,980
very wide-ranging picture here dr. Frank

2449
01:55:27,110 --> 01:55:25,560
Salisbury is our guest this week Chris

2450
01:55:30,740 --> 01:55:27,120
O'Brien is the co-host I'm gene

2451
01:55:38,820 --> 01:55:30,750
Steinberg you're in the podcast

2452
01:55:42,190 --> 01:55:38,830
[Music]

2453
01:55:44,350 --> 01:55:42,200
for 58 years fate has provided true

2454
01:55:46,660 --> 01:55:44,360
reports of the strange and unknown fate

2455
01:55:48,460 --> 01:55:46,670
brings you the latest in all aspects of

2456
01:55:51,640 --> 01:55:48,470
the paranormal like angels and miracles

2457
01:55:53,650 --> 01:55:51,650
psychic phenomena ghosts UFOs and much

2458
01:55:56,140 --> 01:55:53,660
much more to receive your complimentary

2459
01:55:58,870 --> 01:55:56,150
fate magazine call now at one eight

2460
01:56:12,570 --> 01:55:58,880
hundred seven two eight two seven three

2461
01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:14,860
pannu and we really care about our

2462
01:56:19,390 --> 01:56:16,730
customers with domain name purchases

2463
01:56:20,980 --> 01:56:19,400
Namecheap offers free ssl and free Whois

2464
01:56:23,080 --> 01:56:20,990
guard for a year to protect your

2465
01:56:24,850 --> 01:56:23,090
identity from spammers most importantly

2466
01:56:26,650 --> 01:56:24,860
we care about you if you'd like to learn

2467
01:56:29,770 --> 01:56:26,660
more please visit us at Radio

2468
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:29,780
namecheap.com radio namecheap.com

2469
01:56:33,700 --> 01:56:31,850
for web hosting and domain name specials

2470
01:56:37,180 --> 01:56:33,710
you can also follow us on twitter at

2471
01:56:39,250 --> 01:56:37,190
twitter.com/zeromd bars on facebook at

2472
01:56:39,640 --> 01:56:39,260
facebook.com slash Namecheap see you

2473
01:56:42,010 --> 01:56:39,650
online

2474
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:42,020
your natural organic herbal formula for

2475
01:56:46,780 --> 01:56:43,850
heart health is heart and body extract

2476
01:56:50,020 --> 01:56:46,790
my name is spam and I'm 68 years old I

2477
01:56:52,420 --> 01:56:50,030
live in Vermont in the spring of 2003 I

2478
01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:52,430
started to have problems with my heart

2479
01:56:57,430 --> 01:56:55,010
it felt like my heart was pounding made

2480
01:56:59,650 --> 01:56:57,440
me feel breathless I tried many many

2481
01:57:00,790 --> 01:56:59,660
different things to try to get some help

2482
01:57:02,500 --> 01:57:00,800
for myself

2483
01:57:05,080 --> 01:57:02,510
nothing did anything heart and body

2484
01:57:07,090 --> 01:57:05,090
extract is very powerful very effective

2485
01:57:09,790 --> 01:57:07,100
and works quickly I fell one of Sharon's

2486
01:57:12,670 --> 01:57:09,800
ads an ordered heart and body extract I

2487
01:57:16,350 --> 01:57:12,680
noticed a difference quickly within days

2488
01:57:19,750 --> 01:57:16,360
the episodes became less frequent

2489
01:57:22,120 --> 01:57:19,760
completely usually you find a 30 day or

2490
01:57:24,580 --> 01:57:22,130
60 day guarantee heart and body extract

2491
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:24,590
comes with a lifetime 100% ironclad

2492
01:57:29,350 --> 01:57:26,810
money-back guarantee details at HB

2493
01:57:31,510 --> 01:57:29,360
extract calm or call eight six six two

2494
01:57:33,700 --> 01:57:31,520
nine five five three zero five call

2495
01:57:36,070 --> 01:57:33,710
eight six six two nine five five three

2496
01:57:38,260 --> 01:57:36,080
zero five eight six six two nine five

2497
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:38,270
five three zero five four heart and body

2498
01:57:42,490 --> 01:57:40,250
extract g'day

2499
01:57:45,670 --> 01:57:42,500
jim newcomer fremitus resources November

2500
01:57:47,950 --> 01:57:45,680
12 2010 gold open this morning at 13 88

2501
01:57:50,930 --> 01:57:47,960
21 ounce gold coin can be purchased for

2502
01:57:54,050 --> 01:57:50,940
14 24 12 7 1206 4

2503
01:57:59,570 --> 01:57:54,060
1/2 ounce or 350 603 forequarter UPS

2504
01:58:01,250 --> 01:57:59,580
that's 14 24 12 7 1206 or 350 603 again

2505
01:58:03,350 --> 01:58:01,260
the Congressional Budget Office sounds

2506
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:03,360
the alarm warning of greek-style US debt

2507
01:58:07,729 --> 01:58:05,850
crisis CBO is drawing a parallel between

2508
01:58:10,340 --> 01:58:07,739
US economy and the Greek economic

2509
01:58:12,740 --> 01:58:10,350
meltdown debt to GDP climbing to an

2510
01:58:15,290 --> 01:58:12,750
unfamiliar territory and deficits rising

2511
01:58:17,180 --> 01:58:15,300
to unsupportable levels high 10 Anderson

2512
01:58:19,520 --> 01:58:17,190
the federal debt and risk of financial

2513
01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:19,530
crises document the CBO has published as

2514
01:58:23,689 --> 01:58:21,570
a must read for every American covering

2515
01:58:25,490 --> 01:58:23,699
the risks of deficit spending aging

2516
01:58:38,229 --> 01:58:25,500
population and rising interest rates

2517
01:58:58,610 --> 01:58:56,750
806-853-9949 sealable holster on the

2518
01:59:00,680 --> 01:58:58,620
market today we offer a two week free

2519
01:59:03,790 --> 01:59:00,690
trial and a lifetime warranty

2520
01:59:08,660 --> 01:59:03,800
visit us at crossbreed holsters dot-com

2521
01:59:10,820 --> 01:59:08,670
don't forget crossbreed holsters dot-com

2522
01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:10,830
going solar for cheap is as easy as

2523
01:59:14,510 --> 01:59:13,290
1-2-3 if you want to go solar but

2524
01:59:16,760 --> 01:59:14,520
thought the setup costs were too high

2525
01:59:19,220 --> 01:59:16,770
now you can build your own solar panels

2526
01:59:20,810 --> 01:59:19,230
for less than $200 don't laugh we've

2527
01:59:22,370 --> 01:59:20,820
sold over 45 thousand solar

2528
01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:22,380
do-it-yourself kits watch our

2529
01:59:27,950 --> 01:59:25,290
introduction video at 1 2 3 cheap solar

2530
01:59:28,490 --> 01:59:27,960
video.com the video is free but it won't

2531
01:59:30,590 --> 01:59:28,500
last long

2532
01:59:32,600 --> 01:59:30,600
save money on electric bills and get off

2533
01:59:33,500 --> 01:59:32,610
the grid go to 1 2 3 cheap solar

2534
01:59:36,380 --> 01:59:33,510
video.com

2535
01:59:39,280 --> 01:59:36,390
right now our website again is 1 2 3

2536
01:59:41,500 --> 01:59:39,290
cheap solar video.com

2537
01:59:44,420 --> 01:59:41,510
America's number one source for

2538
01:59:52,700 --> 01:59:44,430
independent talk radio for over

2539
01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:52,710
cade we are the gcn radio network we

2540
01:59:55,670 --> 01:59:53,850
want to hear from you

2541
01:59:59,120 --> 01:59:55,680
if you have a comment or question about

2542
02:00:00,110 --> 01:59:59,130
the pair cast send it to News at Lapera

2543
02:00:05,240 --> 02:00:00,120
cast calm

2544
02:00:07,990 --> 02:00:05,250
don't forget to visit our famous pair

2545
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:08,000
cast community forums at forum dot the

2546
02:00:17,390 --> 02:00:11,370
podcast.com get in on all the action at

2547
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:17,400
forum dot the podcast comm dr. Frank

2548
02:00:21,380 --> 02:00:19,530
Salisbury joining us this week I'm Jean

2549
02:00:24,380 --> 02:00:21,390
Steinberg Chris O'Brien's the co-host

2550
02:00:27,290 --> 02:00:24,390
you're in the para cast okay so let's

2551
02:00:30,260 --> 02:00:27,300
look at that one aspect that of course

2552
02:00:32,690 --> 02:00:30,270
may explain wise maybe governments are

2553
02:00:35,810 --> 02:00:32,700
afraid to reveal what's going on the

2554
02:00:38,210 --> 02:00:35,820
impact of course to global society to

2555
02:00:39,980 --> 02:00:38,220
the various industries energy industry

2556
02:00:43,220 --> 02:00:39,990
if it was a physical phenomenon but also

2557
02:00:45,260 --> 02:00:43,230
to world religions and as a religious

2558
02:00:48,590 --> 02:00:45,270
man yourself how do you reconcile your

2559
02:00:51,350 --> 02:00:48,600
beliefs with the presence of some other

2560
02:00:52,160 --> 02:00:51,360
kind of species even if it's from

2561
02:00:55,190 --> 02:00:52,170
another dimension

2562
02:00:58,250 --> 02:00:55,200
well I'd said another tough question of

2563
02:01:01,010 --> 02:00:58,260
course and I've worried about it thought

2564
02:01:03,500 --> 02:01:01,020
about it a lot that was one of the main

2565
02:01:07,100 --> 02:01:03,510
reasons and I decided I had to back out

2566
02:01:11,260 --> 02:01:07,110
because I was thinking of conventional

2567
02:01:16,010 --> 02:01:11,270
explanations based on our theology our

2568
02:01:19,730 --> 02:01:16,020
LDS theology and that involved the city

2569
02:01:21,530 --> 02:01:19,740
of Enoch and the ten tribes may have

2570
02:01:23,750 --> 02:01:21,540
been taken from the earth and might be

2571
02:01:27,530 --> 02:01:23,760
coming back and it bothered me that I

2572
02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:27,540
was tending toward those thoughts as

2573
02:01:33,800 --> 02:01:30,570
I've got back into the field I can't

2574
02:01:36,740 --> 02:01:33,810
avoid the religious things but I don't

2575
02:01:41,710 --> 02:01:36,750
have to pin it down to our specific

2576
02:01:44,060 --> 02:01:41,720
theology anymore actually the thing is

2577
02:01:47,690 --> 02:01:44,070
experiences that people have been having

2578
02:01:50,210 --> 02:01:47,700
that indicate another dimension or a

2579
02:01:51,950 --> 02:01:50,220
parallel universe or whatever the heck

2580
02:01:53,960 --> 02:01:51,960
you call it and I don't know what you

2581
02:01:55,150 --> 02:01:53,970
call it for sure I mean you you can call

2582
02:01:57,110 --> 02:01:55,160
it something but I don't know what it is

2583
02:02:00,500 --> 02:01:57,120
but for a long

2584
02:02:04,490 --> 02:02:00,510
time many religions have talked about

2585
02:02:08,050 --> 02:02:04,500
nearby entities which they called angels

2586
02:02:10,520 --> 02:02:08,060
or demons or whatever and the

2587
02:02:15,110 --> 02:02:10,530
resurrected Christ according to the book

2588
02:02:18,440 --> 02:02:15,120
of John appeared in a locked room even

2589
02:02:21,470 --> 02:02:18,450
though he had a tangible body that he

2590
02:02:23,510 --> 02:02:21,480
asked the disciples to come and feel and

2591
02:02:27,560 --> 02:02:23,520
check out to see that he really was

2592
02:02:31,460 --> 02:02:27,570
tangible and all those things kind of

2593
02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:31,470
relate to the UFO phenomenon but there

2594
02:02:35,900 --> 02:02:33,450
could be an evil side to Attu and the

2595
02:02:38,540 --> 02:02:35,910
course we've talked about the Satan and

2596
02:02:40,700 --> 02:02:38,550
the devil and demons and such and some

2597
02:02:46,370 --> 02:02:40,710
people have used that as the answer to

2598
02:02:51,050 --> 02:02:46,380
the UFO enigma but I see it as partly as

2599
02:02:54,530 --> 02:02:51,060
an answer to this idea of there is

2600
02:02:56,540 --> 02:02:54,540
another parallel universe a Russian

2601
02:02:58,280 --> 02:02:56,550
astronaut went up there and said there

2602
02:03:01,280 --> 02:02:58,290
isn't any heaven I was up there and I

2603
02:03:03,320 --> 02:03:01,290
didn't see it well we don't see it but

2604
02:03:05,480 --> 02:03:03,330
that doesn't mean that it isn't there

2605
02:03:09,290 --> 02:03:05,490
it's been there traditionally for

2606
02:03:12,650 --> 02:03:09,300
millennia and now the kind of events

2607
02:03:15,860 --> 02:03:12,660
that are being described to me support

2608
02:03:17,720 --> 02:03:15,870
the existence of another airline

2609
02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:17,730
universe if that's what you want to call

2610
02:03:24,620 --> 02:03:21,450
it up until I got you worrying about

2611
02:03:26,480 --> 02:03:24,630
these things scientifically and from the

2612
02:03:30,410 --> 02:03:26,490
standpoint of UFOs I might have called

2613
02:03:30,860 --> 02:03:30,420
it heaven or paradise or something like

2614
02:03:33,350 --> 02:03:30,870
that

2615
02:03:35,990 --> 02:03:33,360
well then conversely you also have for

2616
02:03:39,340 --> 02:03:36,000
instance the Islamic tradition which

2617
02:03:43,100 --> 02:03:39,350
talks about the jinn and they have an

2618
02:03:44,720 --> 02:03:43,110
amazing variety of types of different

2619
02:03:47,690 --> 02:03:44,730
different types of jinn I think there's

2620
02:03:49,310 --> 02:03:47,700
12 different varieties and they they

2621
02:03:53,510 --> 02:03:49,320
have a whole social structure they have

2622
02:03:55,040 --> 02:03:53,520
a life span they have communities I find

2623
02:03:57,460 --> 02:03:55,050
it interesting as you go around the

2624
02:03:59,660 --> 02:03:57,470
world and look at other cultural

2625
02:04:02,810 --> 02:03:59,670
interpretations of the unexplained

2626
02:04:06,470 --> 02:04:02,820
there's an interesting cultural bias and

2627
02:04:09,200 --> 02:04:06,480
even a sub cultural bias that does tend

2628
02:04:09,850 --> 02:04:09,210
to have some sort of underlying thread

2629
02:04:12,609 --> 02:04:09,860
of

2630
02:04:15,939 --> 02:04:12,619
commonality and that commonality is that

2631
02:04:18,330 --> 02:04:15,949
these these beans have the ability to

2632
02:04:20,890 --> 02:04:18,340
shape-shift they have the ability to

2633
02:04:24,209 --> 02:04:20,900
disappear and appear it will they have

2634
02:04:27,370 --> 02:04:24,219
the ability to influence human behavior

2635
02:04:30,100 --> 02:04:27,380
these are all elements that I think the

2636
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:30,110
nuts-and-bolts crowd tend to gloss over

2637
02:04:36,490 --> 02:04:34,010
and forget and right put the blinders on

2638
02:04:38,649 --> 02:04:36,500
and you know really go with their own

2639
02:04:40,750 --> 02:04:38,659
subculture sub cultural programming

2640
02:04:43,629 --> 02:04:40,760
they've been front-loaded with what do

2641
02:04:47,530 --> 02:04:43,639
you think about that sure I think that's

2642
02:04:50,379 --> 02:04:47,540
a kind of an obvious thing a question

2643
02:04:53,379 --> 02:04:50,389
that surely should come out if there are

2644
02:04:55,870 --> 02:04:53,389
all these manifestations contactees and

2645
02:04:58,660 --> 02:04:55,880
so on we used to call them apparently

2646
02:05:01,750 --> 02:04:58,670
the terminus dropped out of use a bit

2647
02:05:04,750 --> 02:05:01,760
I'm informed what do a couple of

2648
02:05:06,990 --> 02:05:04,760
religious guys like jr. Hicks and me

2649
02:05:11,800 --> 02:05:07,000
what do we make of all that

2650
02:05:14,410 --> 02:05:11,810
are we believing in a God in heaven and

2651
02:05:17,290 --> 02:05:14,420
so on that doesn't exist but this part

2652
02:05:21,879 --> 02:05:17,300
of the UFO manifestation and that's an

2653
02:05:24,640 --> 02:05:21,889
important question to us and Mike and

2654
02:05:29,800 --> 02:05:24,650
you just have to kind of look at the

2655
02:05:33,609 --> 02:05:29,810
fruits we see a very positive kind of

2656
02:05:36,430 --> 02:05:33,619
theology that has developed and since

2657
02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:36,440
the organization of the church in 1830

2658
02:05:43,450 --> 02:05:39,770
it satisfies us and that makes sense and

2659
02:05:46,450 --> 02:05:43,460
that has aspects of it that are deeply

2660
02:05:49,570 --> 02:05:46,460
spiritual and so that's where we end up

2661
02:05:54,430 --> 02:05:49,580
but it's surely a problem if you're

2662
02:05:58,359 --> 02:05:54,440
honest you have to admit that there's a

2663
02:06:00,370 --> 02:05:58,369
big question as to what is valid and

2664
02:06:03,459 --> 02:06:00,380
what isn't I think there's a tremendous

2665
02:06:06,550 --> 02:06:03,469
amount of paranormal experience out

2666
02:06:11,229 --> 02:06:06,560
there that is generated to deceive us

2667
02:06:14,919 --> 02:06:11,239
and but I have to conclude at this point

2668
02:06:19,359 --> 02:06:14,929
that the religion I pursue it's not part

2669
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:19,369
of it mehran i and the appearance to

2670
02:06:23,720 --> 02:06:22,010
John Smith in upstate New York in some

2671
02:06:29,270 --> 02:06:23,730
ways could

2672
02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:29,280
as a potential visitation by some sort

2673
02:06:35,180 --> 02:06:32,010
of other life-form like an alien contact

2674
02:06:37,850 --> 02:06:35,190
II who would describe 100 hundred years

2675
02:06:41,229 --> 02:06:37,860
later what is the thinking within the

2676
02:06:44,930 --> 02:06:41,239
church about the actual possibility that

2677
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:44,940
the whole LDS movement was started by

2678
02:06:51,710 --> 02:06:49,290
some sort of potential other interaction

2679
02:06:53,870 --> 02:06:51,720
with you know a treasure hunter in

2680
02:06:59,479 --> 02:06:53,880
upstate New York well I don't take a

2681
02:07:01,400 --> 02:06:59,489
church I'm not sure they're deeply aware

2682
02:07:04,190 --> 02:07:01,410
of it I'm aware of it because Jacques

2683
02:07:07,790 --> 02:07:04,200
Vallee brings it up and John keel

2684
02:07:12,590 --> 02:07:07,800
brought up and like I say that's that's

2685
02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:12,600
a question I've studied well I've read a

2686
02:07:19,790 --> 02:07:14,970
very detailed life of Joseph Smith it

2687
02:07:25,430 --> 02:07:19,800
came out a few years ago by a Columbia

2688
02:07:29,420 --> 02:07:25,440
historian Richard L Bushman and he's now

2689
02:07:32,900 --> 02:07:29,430
at in Pomona oh the Claremont Graduate

2690
02:07:36,740 --> 02:07:32,910
School it's a very scholarly thing and

2691
02:07:39,500 --> 02:07:36,750
and there's many many many more details

2692
02:07:41,660 --> 02:07:39,510
of the pictures and well people like

2693
02:07:46,070 --> 02:07:41,670
Jacques Vallejo and Keele are aware of

2694
02:07:49,030 --> 02:07:46,080
and it isn't a simple thing that Joseph

2695
02:07:53,210 --> 02:07:49,040
had his shortcomings but he produced an

2696
02:07:56,120 --> 02:07:53,220
incredibly complex body of information

2697
02:07:59,060 --> 02:07:56,130
knowledge whatever you call in the Book

2698
02:08:05,570 --> 02:07:59,070
of Mormon itself has been studied in

2699
02:08:08,440 --> 02:08:05,580
intricate detail mostly by LDS who are

2700
02:08:11,560 --> 02:08:08,450
defending it now we're a little bit

2701
02:08:16,790 --> 02:08:11,570
troubled by the fact that the debunkers

2702
02:08:19,250 --> 02:08:16,800
haven't looked at it closely enough and

2703
02:08:20,840 --> 02:08:19,260
it seems to hold up pretty well let's

2704
02:08:22,550 --> 02:08:20,850
say well we've get into more of this and

2705
02:08:25,340 --> 02:08:22,560
the religious implications in a moment

2706
02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:25,350
we have dr. Frank Salisbury the co-host

2707
02:08:31,160 --> 02:08:27,450
is Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg

2708
02:08:44,540 --> 02:08:40,510
[Music]

2709
02:08:46,670 --> 02:08:44,550
is there a secret UFO agenda to strange

2710
02:08:49,160 --> 02:08:46,680
creatures from the darkest corners of

2711
02:08:51,800 --> 02:08:49,170
the mind roam the earth is there

2712
02:08:55,430 --> 02:08:51,810
evidence for mind control time travel

2713
02:08:57,290 --> 02:08:55,440
are devious government conspiracies find

2714
02:09:00,320 --> 02:08:57,300
out the inside scoop on the latest

2715
02:09:03,020 --> 02:09:00,330
conspiracies paranormal activity and at

2716
02:09:05,510 --> 02:09:03,030
14 phenomena when you subscribe to Tim

2717
02:09:08,360 --> 02:09:05,520
Beckley's conspiracy girl it's

2718
02:09:11,000 --> 02:09:08,370
jam-packed with stories special book and

2719
02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:11,010
DVD promotions and the best news it's

2720
02:09:16,459 --> 02:09:13,290
absolutely free sent right to your

2721
02:09:20,240 --> 02:09:16,469
mailbox plus a bonus free email

2722
02:09:22,100 --> 02:09:20,250
newsletter sent out every Friday simply

2723
02:09:27,050 --> 02:09:22,110
send an email with your name and address

2724
02:09:32,630 --> 02:09:27,060
to mister UFO at web TV dotnet that's

2725
02:09:39,340 --> 02:09:32,640
mr. UFO at web TV dotnet find out what

2726
02:09:43,540 --> 02:09:41,720
before you purchase any water filters

2727
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:43,550
you should know there's a superior

2728
02:09:47,990 --> 02:09:45,930
american-made water filtration system

2729
02:09:50,030 --> 02:09:48,000
available this water filters housing is

2730
02:09:52,400 --> 02:09:50,040
made of high-quality stainless steel and

2731
02:09:52,940 --> 02:09:52,410
it's filters outperform all others in

2732
02:09:55,370 --> 02:09:52,950
the industry

2733
02:09:57,170 --> 02:09:55,380
and are the only ones that exceed EPA

2734
02:09:59,390 --> 02:09:57,180
standards it's a gravity-fed water

2735
02:10:01,280 --> 02:09:59,400
filtration system requiring no

2736
02:10:03,290 --> 02:10:01,290
electricity or plumbing it removes

2737
02:10:05,750 --> 02:10:03,300
chlorine chemicals and dangerous

2738
02:10:07,400 --> 02:10:05,760
biological pathogens producing quality

2739
02:10:09,380 --> 02:10:07,410
drinking water for less than two cents

2740
02:10:11,660 --> 02:10:09,390
per gallon plus its filters can be

2741
02:10:14,030 --> 02:10:11,670
cleaned up to two hundred times what is

2742
02:10:16,010 --> 02:10:14,040
it it's the Aqua Rain owning an aqua

2743
02:10:18,020 --> 02:10:16,020
rain means you own the best money can

2744
02:10:19,940 --> 02:10:18,030
buy learn more and see other quality

2745
02:10:22,730 --> 02:10:19,950
emergency preparedness products at my

2746
02:10:24,590 --> 02:10:22,740
Aqua rain comm use the gcn code and

2747
02:10:27,110 --> 02:10:24,600
you'll receive the book do-it-yourself

2748
02:10:29,960 --> 02:10:27,120
emergency preparedness absolutely free

2749
02:10:32,270 --> 02:10:29,970
to order visit my aqua rain comm or call

2750
02:10:35,090 --> 02:10:32,280
eight hundred five eight five five zero

2751
02:10:37,490 --> 02:10:35,100
seven seven that's my aqua rain comm or

2752
02:10:40,790 --> 02:10:37,500
eight hundred five eight five five zero

2753
02:10:42,350 --> 02:10:40,800
seven seven I'm concerned about food for

2754
02:10:44,870 --> 02:10:42,360
my family in the event of an emergency

2755
02:10:46,940 --> 02:10:44,880
and I know you are too

2756
02:10:48,860 --> 02:10:46,950
are you ready don't wait for an

2757
02:10:51,320 --> 02:10:48,870
emergency to happen put a plan together

2758
02:10:53,600 --> 02:10:51,330
now with quality dehydrated food from

2759
02:10:55,490 --> 02:10:53,610
Ready Reserve foods for nearly 40 years

2760
02:10:57,740 --> 02:10:55,500
Ready Reserve foods has been in

2761
02:10:59,930 --> 02:10:57,750
continuous operation canning the finest

2762
02:11:02,000 --> 02:10:59,940
and dehydrated foods other companies

2763
02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:02,010
just broker canned foods Ready Reserve

2764
02:11:06,230 --> 02:11:04,410
is the manufacturer controlling quality

2765
02:11:08,390 --> 02:11:06,240
from start to finish with double

2766
02:11:10,910 --> 02:11:08,400
enameled cans and nitrogen packing for

2767
02:11:12,260 --> 02:11:10,920
maximum shelf-life Ready Reserve offers

2768
02:11:14,450 --> 02:11:12,270
a balanced selection of fruits

2769
02:11:16,160 --> 02:11:14,460
vegetables dairy products proteins and

2770
02:11:17,870 --> 02:11:16,170
grains choose from a variety of

2771
02:11:19,760 --> 02:11:17,880
pre-selected units or order by

2772
02:11:21,560 --> 02:11:19,770
individual can to customize your own

2773
02:11:23,480 --> 02:11:21,570
plan when you purchase from Ready

2774
02:11:25,700 --> 02:11:23,490
Reserve foods you are buying factory

2775
02:11:27,500 --> 02:11:25,710
direct at wholesale prices call today

2776
02:11:29,780 --> 02:11:27,510
for a free catalog one eight hundred

2777
02:11:32,240 --> 02:11:29,790
four five three twenty two oh two or

2778
02:11:34,640 --> 02:11:32,250
visit Ready Reserve foods calm call

2779
02:11:37,460 --> 02:11:34,650
1-800 four five three twenty two oh two

2780
02:11:39,980 --> 02:11:37,470
Ready Reserve foods factory direct

2781
02:11:41,690 --> 02:11:39,990
wholesale pricing if the cost of your

2782
02:11:43,760 --> 02:11:41,700
prescriptions are getting out of control

2783
02:11:45,470 --> 02:11:43,770
you want to listen carefully to this rx

2784
02:11:47,270 --> 02:11:45,480
drug card calm is

2785
02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:47,280
simple innovative program designed to

2786
02:11:50,900 --> 02:11:49,050
give individuals the same purchasing

2787
02:11:52,940 --> 02:11:50,910
power as large HMOs and insurance

2788
02:11:55,160 --> 02:11:52,950
companies as a member of our extra cart

2789
02:11:57,670 --> 02:11:55,170
comm you'll enjoy savings of up to 80%

2790
02:12:00,320 --> 02:11:57,680
on all prescription medications and over

2791
02:12:02,120 --> 02:12:00,330
52,000 USA pharmacies including Walmart

2792
02:12:03,979 --> 02:12:02,130
Walgreens and Eckert's don't risk

2793
02:12:05,990 --> 02:12:03,989
ruining your health by using cheap

2794
02:12:08,030 --> 02:12:06,000
counterfeit foreign drugs this program

2795
02:12:10,160 --> 02:12:08,040
provides savings on safe genuine

2796
02:12:12,380 --> 02:12:10,170
fda-approved medications with low

2797
02:12:14,120 --> 02:12:12,390
membership fees unlimited use no age or

2798
02:12:16,340 --> 02:12:14,130
income requirements a coverage for all

2799
02:12:18,560 --> 02:12:16,350
pre-existing conditions our extra cart

2800
02:12:20,330 --> 02:12:18,570
comm is an absolute must for anyone who

2801
02:12:22,400 --> 02:12:20,340
pays for their own prescriptions enroll

2802
02:12:25,520 --> 02:12:22,410
today for as little as 450 per month at

2803
02:12:27,920 --> 02:12:25,530
WWE our extra card comm and start saving

2804
02:12:30,080 --> 02:12:27,930
immediately rx drug card comm is backed

2805
02:12:32,360 --> 02:12:30,090
by a 30-day money-back guarantee visit

2806
02:12:34,610 --> 02:12:32,370
rx drug card comm or call eight eight

2807
02:12:36,340 --> 02:12:34,620
eight two one six 2461

2808
02:12:41,570 --> 02:12:36,350
that's eight eight eight two one six

2809
02:12:42,890 --> 02:12:41,580
2461 are you tired of searching for

2810
02:12:46,310 --> 02:12:42,900
great talk-radio

2811
02:13:01,820 --> 02:12:46,320
more important search the overall we are

2812
02:13:04,400 --> 02:13:01,830
the gcn radio network we have just two

2813
02:13:07,040 --> 02:13:04,410
more sessions with dr. Frank Salisbury

2814
02:13:09,530 --> 02:13:07,050
the co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

2815
02:13:12,530 --> 02:13:09,540
Steinberg you're in the power cast so

2816
02:13:14,620 --> 02:13:12,540
your physician is dr. Salisbury that

2817
02:13:17,240 --> 02:13:14,630
your religious beliefs are not

2818
02:13:18,890 --> 02:13:17,250
contraindicated by what's happening it's

2819
02:13:20,990 --> 02:13:18,900
a question that you have to wonder about

2820
02:13:23,740 --> 02:13:21,000
but I hang in there with the religious

2821
02:13:26,450 --> 02:13:23,750
beliefs they still make sense to me they

2822
02:13:30,590 --> 02:13:26,460
influenced my life in the positive ways

2823
02:13:33,950 --> 02:13:30,600
and so that's where I stand but I'm sure

2824
02:13:37,130 --> 02:13:33,960
aware of the questions that they bring

2825
02:13:39,470 --> 02:13:37,140
up that the phenomenon if the day brings

2826
02:13:43,490 --> 02:13:39,480
up and I guess that's not surprising

2827
02:13:48,380 --> 02:13:43,500
that the basic philosophy that we pursue

2828
02:13:50,479 --> 02:13:48,390
is that we more months we LDS is that

2829
02:13:53,030 --> 02:13:50,489
there's a good and evil out there and

2830
02:13:56,989 --> 02:13:53,040
the evil will do all it can to deceive

2831
02:13:58,729 --> 02:13:56,999
us and take us away from

2832
02:14:03,890 --> 02:13:58,739
the kind of life that would ultimately

2833
02:14:06,680 --> 02:14:03,900
best be best for us and and so that's

2834
02:14:10,279 --> 02:14:06,690
how we live with a lot of it we also

2835
02:14:14,600 --> 02:14:10,289
have a one Scripture in the Book of

2836
02:14:19,129 --> 02:14:14,610
Mormon that has impaled to me for many

2837
02:14:23,299 --> 02:14:19,139
years now and that says that the Lord

2838
02:14:28,040 --> 02:14:23,309
gives to all nations what he sees fit

2839
02:14:30,229 --> 02:14:28,050
and what can be best for them at the

2840
02:14:33,549 --> 02:14:30,239
time and so on and then I mentioned that

2841
02:14:36,439 --> 02:14:33,559
because I would explain the variety of

2842
02:14:39,589 --> 02:14:36,449
Buddhism and and Mohammed ISM and

2843
02:14:43,489 --> 02:14:39,599
Judaism and Christianity and so on and

2844
02:14:46,959 --> 02:14:43,499
of course we believe that much of

2845
02:14:50,450 --> 02:14:46,969
Christianity Christianity went astray

2846
02:14:52,729 --> 02:14:50,460
during the Middle Ages I wouldn't try to

2847
02:14:59,020 --> 02:14:52,739
defend all of Christianity by any means

2848
02:15:04,009 --> 02:14:59,030
but I would defend the the fundamental

2849
02:15:07,779 --> 02:15:04,019
revelatory foundation upon which it is

2850
02:15:12,379 --> 02:15:07,789
built and how's that

2851
02:15:14,600 --> 02:15:12,389
that was pretty succinct you won't pick

2852
02:15:16,870 --> 02:15:14,610
up no Angie yeah we're gonna let you

2853
02:15:19,969 --> 02:15:16,880
follow through with that

2854
02:15:22,370 --> 02:15:19,979
well again I really have a sense that

2855
02:15:26,140 --> 02:15:22,380
you know belief is an intensely personal

2856
02:15:29,479 --> 02:15:26,150
thing I think when you collect together

2857
02:15:33,080 --> 02:15:29,489
believers that you tend to have a

2858
02:15:34,939 --> 02:15:33,090
perfect scenario as you know chockful a

2859
02:15:37,430 --> 02:15:34,949
very insightful II pointed out in

2860
02:15:41,390 --> 02:15:37,440
messengers of deception you have a

2861
02:15:44,629 --> 02:15:41,400
perfect formula for control societal

2862
02:15:48,439 --> 02:15:44,639
control organized religion obviously

2863
02:15:50,930 --> 02:15:48,449
could potentially be used as a as a very

2864
02:15:54,669 --> 02:15:50,940
effective societal control mechanism I

2865
02:15:58,069 --> 02:15:54,679
also think that the the idea of

2866
02:16:00,950 --> 02:15:58,079
extraterrestrials or others visiting us

2867
02:16:03,529 --> 02:16:00,960
and manipulating us for purposes as yet

2868
02:16:05,870 --> 02:16:03,539
undetermined can also be used as a

2869
02:16:08,250 --> 02:16:05,880
control mechanism and that brings up the

2870
02:16:11,400 --> 02:16:08,260
whole subject of the government

2871
02:16:13,439 --> 02:16:11,410
I've heard rumors that the government is

2872
02:16:16,740 --> 02:16:13,449
very interested in potentially in

2873
02:16:19,380 --> 02:16:16,750
purchasing the the ranch from Robert

2874
02:16:21,540 --> 02:16:19,390
Bigelow up in a new window basin have

2875
02:16:23,850 --> 02:16:21,550
you heard anything about that and have

2876
02:16:25,770 --> 02:16:23,860
you looked into the role of the

2877
02:16:32,700 --> 02:16:25,780
government in the you intubation

2878
02:16:37,140 --> 02:16:32,710
I am NOT in any kind of detail jr. my

2879
02:16:39,270 --> 02:16:37,150
collaborator jr. Hicks would probably be

2880
02:16:41,129 --> 02:16:39,280
intrigued by that idea I think he

2881
02:16:44,790 --> 02:16:41,139
probably holds to that idea that they

2882
02:16:49,020 --> 02:16:44,800
when you're on the show oh yeah yeah you

2883
02:16:51,540 --> 02:16:49,030
need to have him he's good guy and we

2884
02:16:53,520 --> 02:16:51,550
don't agree on everything but basically

2885
02:16:59,850 --> 02:16:53,530
he's a good guy and we do agree on the

2886
02:17:03,929 --> 02:16:59,860
overall picture we have this one case

2887
02:17:07,290 --> 02:17:03,939
that came up just as I was writing the

2888
02:17:10,919 --> 02:17:07,300
last version to the manuscript in which

2889
02:17:15,330 --> 02:17:10,929
this guy comes out at 5:00 in the

2890
02:17:20,299 --> 02:17:15,340
morning from his place there where he's

2891
02:17:29,250 --> 02:17:24,990
bottle Hollow reservoir and he sees this

2892
02:17:32,280 --> 02:17:29,260
UFO coming by and behind it are two

2893
02:17:36,140 --> 02:17:32,290
Blackhawk helicopters pursuing it and

2894
02:17:38,879 --> 02:17:36,150
the UFO dives into the reservoir and the

2895
02:17:42,719 --> 02:17:38,889
helicopter circled for a while and then

2896
02:17:46,650 --> 02:17:42,729
take off and and after they take off the

2897
02:17:50,040 --> 02:17:46,660
UFO comes up out of this water and goes

2898
02:17:51,600 --> 02:17:50,050
off in some other direction I don't know

2899
02:17:54,870 --> 02:17:51,610
what to make of the story because it's a

2900
02:17:58,320 --> 02:17:54,880
single witness he's happy to let us use

2901
02:18:02,700 --> 02:17:58,330
his name we interviewed him a couple of

2902
02:18:07,320 --> 02:18:02,710
weeks ago again I did along with Jacque

2903
02:18:11,759 --> 02:18:07,330
filet and jr. before that he had told

2904
02:18:15,959 --> 02:18:11,769
the story only the junior I got it on

2905
02:18:18,570 --> 02:18:15,969
page 149 or something in her book and no

2906
02:18:21,060 --> 02:18:18,580
I don't want to make of it but if it has

2907
02:18:21,750 --> 02:18:21,070
any semblance of truth it shows that the

2908
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:21,760
government is

2909
02:18:28,429 --> 02:18:25,210
very very closely involved because these

2910
02:18:31,259 --> 02:18:28,439
two Black Hawks were pursuing the UFO

2911
02:18:34,320 --> 02:18:31,269
now is this how reason to an event is

2912
02:18:36,839 --> 02:18:34,330
this that was a couple days before

2913
02:18:39,349 --> 02:18:36,849
Thanksgiving the last Thanksgiving so

2914
02:18:41,549 --> 02:18:39,359
it's just a little less than a year old

2915
02:18:44,820 --> 02:18:41,559
because there was a lot of activity

2916
02:18:47,490 --> 02:18:44,830
going on November through February if my

2917
02:18:50,730 --> 02:18:47,500
sources up there correct there's a lot

2918
02:18:53,400 --> 02:18:50,740
of stuff going on in that area wouldn't

2919
02:18:55,320 --> 02:18:53,410
be surprised of course another

2920
02:18:57,679 --> 02:18:55,330
investigator who's had a longtime

2921
02:19:00,959 --> 02:18:57,689
interest in the case there Ryan Layton

2922
02:19:04,200 --> 02:19:00,969
has documented quite a number of cases

2923
02:19:06,559 --> 02:19:04,210
of unmarked what appear to be unmarked

2924
02:19:10,650 --> 02:19:06,569
convoys of government type vehicle seen

2925
02:19:13,830 --> 02:19:10,660
zipping around the area up there you

2926
02:19:16,889 --> 02:19:13,840
know unusual vehicular traffic unusual

2927
02:19:20,099 --> 02:19:16,899
aerial traffic that does that on the

2928
02:19:21,990 --> 02:19:20,109
surface has the appearance of apparent

2929
02:19:25,530 --> 02:19:22,000
government interest in the area there

2930
02:19:26,820 --> 02:19:25,540
but have you heard any rumors of the

2931
02:19:30,000 --> 02:19:26,830
government being interested in actually

2932
02:19:31,559 --> 02:19:30,010
acquiring the ranch no I haven't it's

2933
02:19:33,839 --> 02:19:31,569
the first time I've heard of that it's

2934
02:19:35,580 --> 02:19:33,849
most interesting yeah that's something

2935
02:19:37,620 --> 02:19:35,590
to keep your ears open about although

2936
02:19:40,559 --> 02:19:37,630
I'm sure it would be tough to wrestle it

2937
02:19:43,230 --> 02:19:40,569
away from Bigelow you know but is his

2938
02:19:51,269 --> 02:19:43,240
long-standing interest there well two

2939
02:19:52,860 --> 02:19:51,279
words eminent domain or you know like

2940
02:19:57,150 --> 02:19:52,870
they say in The Godfather I made him an

2941
02:20:00,030 --> 02:19:57,160
offer he couldn't refuse kinda hard to

2942
02:20:04,410 --> 02:20:00,040
find the price well it might be a little

2943
02:20:06,540 --> 02:20:04,420
difficult to prove eminent domain but

2944
02:20:09,750 --> 02:20:06,550
who knows the government's pretty

2945
02:20:11,160 --> 02:20:09,760
powerful one who wants to be right now

2946
02:20:14,099 --> 02:20:11,170
the underground scenario is something

2947
02:20:17,490 --> 02:20:14,109
that we touched on briefly a while back

2948
02:20:19,559 --> 02:20:17,500
here what what sort of rumblings have

2949
02:20:23,580 --> 02:20:19,569
you heard pardon the pun

2950
02:20:26,730 --> 02:20:23,590
concerning underground scenarios that

2951
02:20:29,190 --> 02:20:26,740
may be somehow involved there you know

2952
02:20:32,940 --> 02:20:29,200
of course we do have at the south end of

2953
02:20:33,660 --> 02:20:32,950
the base and towards the you know the

2954
02:20:38,760 --> 02:20:33,670
the

2955
02:20:41,160 --> 02:20:38,770
with Colorado we have quite a gas and

2956
02:20:45,960 --> 02:20:41,170
oil field

2957
02:20:50,160 --> 02:20:45,970
lots of drilling going on have you come

2958
02:20:51,870 --> 02:20:50,170
across any I guess tantalizing evidence

2959
02:20:53,099 --> 02:20:51,880
that would suggest that we are dealing

2960
02:20:59,219 --> 02:20:53,109
with something underground

2961
02:21:03,479 --> 02:20:59,229
I haven't junior would defend that he's

2962
02:21:05,910 --> 02:21:03,489
I've heard him defended directly and

2963
02:21:07,620 --> 02:21:05,920
positively he thinks that there's some

2964
02:21:10,950 --> 02:21:07,630
kind of underground activity on the

2965
02:21:15,500 --> 02:21:10,960
ranch I have just one little point to

2966
02:21:18,630 --> 02:21:15,510
contribute the skinwalker book says that

2967
02:21:22,830 --> 02:21:18,640
when the ranch was bought from the from

2968
02:21:26,010 --> 02:21:22,840
the Meyers there was a clause that said

2969
02:21:29,399 --> 02:21:26,020
no digging well

2970
02:21:31,200 --> 02:21:29,409
Garth Meyers chuckles when I say that he

2971
02:21:34,080 --> 02:21:31,210
says well there was a clause that says

2972
02:21:36,300 --> 02:21:34,090
if you dig for oil you have to inform

2973
02:21:38,189 --> 02:21:36,310
the previous owners and that's a common

2974
02:21:40,110 --> 02:21:38,199
clause when a ranch is sold in you

2975
02:21:44,460 --> 02:21:40,120
intubation because oil is so important

2976
02:21:47,660 --> 02:21:44,470
so take out what you have for what you

2977
02:21:55,290 --> 02:21:47,670
want I I definitely had the feeling that

2978
02:21:57,689 --> 02:21:55,300
I want to say Kelleher and that but that

2979
02:21:59,519 --> 02:21:57,699
I don't know who to blame but you might

2980
02:22:01,290 --> 02:21:59,529
have to bring George Annette back on the

2981
02:22:03,990 --> 02:22:01,300
show he's been on a couple of times and

2982
02:22:06,510 --> 02:22:04,000
maybe we should present this entire

2983
02:22:08,360 --> 02:22:06,520
scenario to him and get some kind of

2984
02:22:11,910 --> 02:22:08,370
comments from him about what's going on

2985
02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:11,920
we're gonna have one more segment with

2986
02:22:18,719 --> 02:22:15,850
dr. Frank Stiles berry and he's a

2987
02:22:21,769 --> 02:22:18,729
longtime UFO investigator and he's still

2988
02:22:24,660 --> 02:22:21,779
at it you know we still alert bright and

2989
02:22:26,729 --> 02:22:24,670
pursuing answers hoping they'll lead

2990
02:22:30,490 --> 02:22:26,739
somewhere our co-host is Chris O'Brien

2991
02:22:38,969 --> 02:22:30,500
I'm gene Steinberger and the para cast

2992
02:22:41,740 --> 02:22:38,979
[Music]

2993
02:22:44,530 --> 02:22:41,750
are you ready to order the official

2994
02:22:46,599 --> 02:22:44,540
power cast t-shirt you asked we answered

2995
02:22:50,650 --> 02:22:46,609
we're now taking orders for the official

2996
02:22:52,929 --> 02:22:50,660
para cast t-shirt it comes in white 100%

2997
02:22:55,240 --> 02:22:52,939
cotton the front of it features the same

2998
02:22:58,150 --> 02:22:55,250
logo that we have on our community

2999
02:23:01,780 --> 02:22:58,160
forums on the back it says separating

3000
02:23:03,910 --> 02:23:01,790
signal from noise to order the official

3001
02:23:06,250 --> 02:23:03,920
power cast t-shirt here's all you have

3002
02:23:10,150 --> 02:23:06,260
to do visit our new online store at

3003
02:23:12,460 --> 02:23:10,160
store dot the para cast dot-com one more

3004
02:23:14,920 --> 02:23:12,470
time that's store dot the para cast

3005
02:23:17,380 --> 02:23:14,930
dot-com you can use a major credit card

3006
02:23:20,469 --> 02:23:17,390
to place your order for the official

3007
02:23:22,389 --> 02:23:20,479
para cast t-shirt hey neighbors we have

3008
02:23:24,940 --> 02:23:22,399
one more thing to talk about and that's

3009
02:23:27,280 --> 02:23:24,950
more merchandise at the official power

3010
02:23:29,340 --> 02:23:27,290
cast store we have hats we have jackets

3011
02:23:31,780 --> 02:23:29,350
we even have a flip Video camcorder

3012
02:23:34,450 --> 02:23:31,790
customized with the power cast logo at

3013
02:23:36,429 --> 02:23:34,460
the official para cast store it's all

3014
02:23:39,550 --> 02:23:36,439
now available at the official power cast

3015
02:23:41,349 --> 02:23:39,560
store store dot the para casts calm

3016
02:23:43,750 --> 02:23:41,359
before you throw away your used

3017
02:23:46,269 --> 02:23:43,760
batteries you need to listen to this now

3018
02:23:48,219 --> 02:23:46,279
going green can save money go green and

3019
02:23:49,900 --> 02:23:48,229
save money by giving life to your used

3020
02:23:51,760 --> 02:23:49,910
batteries by charging them with the

3021
02:23:53,769 --> 02:23:51,770
Renaissance charger the Renaissance

3022
02:23:55,420 --> 02:23:53,779
charger uses a new revolutionary battery

3023
02:23:57,219 --> 02:23:55,430
charging technology that effectively

3024
02:23:59,650 --> 02:23:57,229
extends a life of new batteries and

3025
02:24:01,840 --> 02:23:59,660
gives new life to use batteries invented

3026
02:24:04,150 --> 02:24:01,850
by legendary audio genius John Bedini

3027
02:24:06,280 --> 02:24:04,160
this unique and patented charging system

3028
02:24:07,630 --> 02:24:06,290
rejuvenates the electrochemical plate

3029
02:24:10,269 --> 02:24:07,640
structure in the battery without

3030
02:24:12,429 --> 02:24:10,279
additives increasing capacity and

3031
02:24:13,990 --> 02:24:12,439
maintaining cell integrity Renaissance

3032
02:24:16,059 --> 02:24:14,000
charge offers a full line of products

3033
02:24:18,550 --> 02:24:16,069
made in the USA for all types and sizes

3034
02:24:20,559 --> 02:24:18,560
of batteries find out why our customers

3035
02:24:22,420 --> 02:24:20,569
tell us the Renaissance charger is the

3036
02:24:23,800 --> 02:24:22,430
only battery charger they will ever use

3037
02:24:26,110 --> 02:24:23,810
save your money

3038
02:24:29,139 --> 02:24:26,120
save the environment visit us online at

3039
02:24:32,260 --> 02:24:29,149
our - charge com that's our - charge

3040
02:24:34,389 --> 02:24:32,270
comm or call us at 2:08 seven seven two

3041
02:24:37,269 --> 02:24:34,399
four five one four that's two zero eight

3042
02:24:40,780 --> 02:24:37,279
seven seven two four five one four be a

3043
02:24:42,070 --> 02:24:40,790
part of the revolution today Alex told

3044
02:24:44,380 --> 02:24:42,080
you the government announced recently

3045
02:24:47,230 --> 02:24:44,390
that the recession is over it ended on

3046
02:24:49,510 --> 02:24:47,240
June of 2009 the millions of Americans

3047
02:24:51,100 --> 02:24:49,520
unable to find work might not agree

3048
02:24:52,961 --> 02:24:51,110
perhaps the recession ended

3049
02:24:54,610 --> 02:24:52,971
the bankers and government employees but

3050
02:24:55,390 --> 02:24:54,620
for the rest of us things seemed to be

3051
02:24:56,980 --> 02:24:55,400
getting worse

3052
02:24:59,470 --> 02:24:56,990
gold and silver haven't heard the news

3053
02:25:01,270 --> 02:24:59,480
either they've begun their long expected

3054
02:25:02,980 --> 02:25:01,280
journey to the moon in addition to

3055
02:25:04,780 --> 02:25:02,990
converting your shrinking dollars into

3056
02:25:06,671 --> 02:25:04,790
gold and silver you should consider a

3057
02:25:09,041 --> 02:25:06,681
food savings account from a food stir

3058
02:25:11,320 --> 02:25:09,051
act they both make fabulous investments

3059
02:25:13,180 --> 02:25:11,330
food is our greatest dependency and we

3060
02:25:15,520 --> 02:25:13,190
know it will be more precious than any

3061
02:25:17,680 --> 02:25:15,530
financial resource you and your family

3062
02:25:20,261 --> 02:25:17,690
need food to survive a crisis and you

3063
02:25:21,881 --> 02:25:20,271
can't eat paper stocks or metals alex

3064
02:25:24,280 --> 02:25:21,891
has been urging you to invest in

3065
02:25:26,230 --> 02:25:24,290
delicious easy fix meals to enjoy now or

3066
02:25:27,850 --> 02:25:26,240
save for long term this will freeze the

3067
02:25:30,370 --> 02:25:27,860
cost your food while you can still

3068
02:25:34,060 --> 02:25:30,380
afford it visit a foods direct comm on

3069
02:25:36,490 --> 02:25:34,070
the internet or call 849 five six 33

3070
02:25:38,501 --> 02:25:36,500
that's a foots direct comm or eight

3071
02:25:40,900 --> 02:25:38,511
hundred four zero nine five six three

3072
02:25:43,301 --> 02:25:40,910
three it's the winter cold and flu

3073
02:25:44,560 --> 02:25:43,311
supplements a lat herbal healer calm and

3074
02:25:46,421 --> 02:25:44,570
take advantage of herbal healer

3075
02:25:48,671 --> 02:25:46,431
Academy's incredible savings on the best

3076
02:25:50,770 --> 02:25:48,681
cold and flu supplements available many

3077
02:25:52,631 --> 02:25:50,780
of you know elderberry it's exceptional

3078
02:25:54,581 --> 02:25:52,641
against viral infections right now

3079
02:25:57,730 --> 02:25:54,591
herbal healer Academy has elderberry

3080
02:26:00,761 --> 02:25:57,740
power regularly priced at 60 90 five now

3081
02:26:03,370 --> 02:26:00,771
incredibly low at only 10 dollars for 60

3082
02:26:05,291 --> 02:26:03,380
vegetarian caps for children and seniors

3083
02:26:08,291 --> 02:26:05,301
our herbal healer Academy flew away

3084
02:26:11,171 --> 02:26:08,301
elderberry liquid is only $13 for a poor

3085
02:26:13,720 --> 02:26:11,181
ounce bible also on super sale eyelid

3086
02:26:16,421 --> 02:26:13,730
lead capsules oregano oil plus capsules

3087
02:26:18,761 --> 02:26:16,431
and our incredible respirate formula a

3088
02:26:22,570 --> 02:26:18,771
reconciliation strength capsules for

3089
02:26:24,581 --> 02:26:22,580
your lungs normally 3495 now just $25

3090
02:26:26,501 --> 02:26:24,591
hit the winter specials link at our

3091
02:26:28,751 --> 02:26:26,511
bellator.com for these cold and flu

3092
02:26:30,820 --> 02:26:28,761
supplement specials and other on sale

3093
02:26:33,251 --> 02:26:30,830
products like apple cider vinegar brain

3094
02:26:34,961 --> 02:26:33,261
power and neuron recovery new customers

3095
02:26:37,570 --> 02:26:34,971
get a free catalog with your first order

3096
02:26:41,140 --> 02:26:37,580
log on and hit the winter special now an

3097
02:26:43,120 --> 02:26:41,150
herbal healer calm the GC and radio

3098
02:26:46,660 --> 02:26:43,130
network providing the world with

3099
02:27:19,870 --> 02:26:46,670
hard-hitting talk radio G C

3100
02:27:22,330 --> 02:27:19,880
Great Auk radio starts here in our final

3101
02:27:24,310 --> 02:27:22,340
segment dr. Frank Salsbury joins us for

3102
02:27:25,780 --> 02:27:24,320
a rare or radio appearance Chris

3103
02:27:29,140 --> 02:27:25,790
O'Brien's the co-host I have to thank

3104
02:27:30,730 --> 02:27:29,150
Chris for finding dr. Salsbury and

3105
02:27:32,560 --> 02:27:30,740
setting him up for the show this week

3106
02:27:35,980 --> 02:27:32,570
I'm gene steinberger in the power cast

3107
02:27:37,900 --> 02:27:35,990
we have maybe another 10 11 minutes left

3108
02:27:40,120 --> 02:27:37,910
dr. Salsbury so maybe I wanted to go to

3109
02:27:44,560 --> 02:27:40,130
the focus governments around the world

3110
02:27:47,860 --> 02:27:44,570
are releasing UFO sightings we don't see

3111
02:27:50,140 --> 02:27:47,870
that kind of activity in the US but do

3112
02:27:52,630 --> 02:27:50,150
you think the government knows about the

3113
02:27:55,990 --> 02:27:52,640
complexity of the UFO mystery or they're

3114
02:27:57,880 --> 02:27:56,000
just mystified I resisted for a long

3115
02:27:59,860 --> 02:27:57,890
time the idea that the government knows

3116
02:28:02,830 --> 02:27:59,870
about the complexity but it seems like

3117
02:28:06,130 --> 02:28:02,840
we're just pushed more and more and more

3118
02:28:08,350 --> 02:28:06,140
in that direction and I would say that I

3119
02:28:11,200 --> 02:28:08,360
believe which is a matter of faith

3120
02:28:13,000 --> 02:28:11,210
without knowing that indeed the

3121
02:28:15,730 --> 02:28:13,010
government of some part of the

3122
02:28:18,219 --> 02:28:15,740
government knows a whole lot about it

3123
02:28:19,630 --> 02:28:18,229
how could they help it does so many

3124
02:28:24,910 --> 02:28:19,640
books have been written do they just

3125
02:28:30,929 --> 02:28:24,920
ignore them all Hynek thought that the

3126
02:28:35,590 --> 02:28:33,880
and just ignoring things because they

3127
02:28:38,530 --> 02:28:35,600
figured there can't be any such thing

3128
02:28:40,179 --> 02:28:38,540
and so they they just read it and wrote

3129
02:28:46,179 --> 02:28:40,189
it off without know anything about it

3130
02:28:49,960 --> 02:28:46,189
and I very closely with NASA for 30

3131
02:28:54,100 --> 02:28:49,970
years 31 know more Nats 35 or so I

3132
02:28:59,440 --> 02:28:54,110
started in Colorado on and continued

3133
02:29:04,180 --> 02:28:59,450
with NASA grants and contacts until

3134
02:29:07,870 --> 02:29:04,190
tired 1997 and like I mentioned earlier

3135
02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:07,880
I gave some gave talks to NASA groups

3136
02:29:13,660 --> 02:29:10,250
and they enjoyed them and didn't make

3137
02:29:16,690 --> 02:29:13,670
fun of me and as I talked about UFOs and

3138
02:29:19,060 --> 02:29:16,700
I even went so far as to say would you

3139
02:29:21,280 --> 02:29:19,070
fund the grant if I came up with a good

3140
02:29:23,830 --> 02:29:21,290
proposal and I said well we take a good

3141
02:29:28,110 --> 02:29:23,840
look old dick young I remember saying

3142
02:29:32,710 --> 02:29:28,120
that but on the other hand the NASA

3143
02:29:34,060 --> 02:29:32,720
biology division was not necessarily

3144
02:29:36,970 --> 02:29:34,070
very close to whoever might be

3145
02:29:40,030 --> 02:29:36,980
investigating UFOs and so I don't have

3146
02:29:43,301 --> 02:29:40,040
any any direct knowledge but I did get

3147
02:29:46,120 --> 02:29:43,311
the impression that whatever the

3148
02:29:48,250 --> 02:29:46,130
negative outlook was it was mostly based

3149
02:29:51,940 --> 02:29:48,260
on ignorance II they didn't know the

3150
02:29:55,841 --> 02:29:51,950
facts and so they wrote it all off and I

3151
02:29:58,360 --> 02:29:55,851
said there are skeptics out there now of

3152
02:30:01,631 --> 02:29:58,370
course I subscribe to The Skeptical

3153
02:30:06,910 --> 02:30:01,641
Inquirer and it's kind of interesting to

3154
02:30:09,011 --> 02:30:06,920
see how they they investigate some old

3155
02:30:11,950 --> 02:30:09,021
sighting and explain it and write it off

3156
02:30:16,301 --> 02:30:11,960
just like good ol Phillip lasted for so

3157
02:30:18,730 --> 02:30:16,311
many years okay so let's get to the case

3158
02:30:21,040 --> 02:30:18,740
here the long and short of it because we

3159
02:30:22,390 --> 02:30:21,050
only have a few moments left okay so you

3160
02:30:25,240 --> 02:30:22,400
don't think the government's in touch

3161
02:30:28,421 --> 02:30:25,250
with et or them whoever they might be

3162
02:30:30,310 --> 02:30:28,431
that there may be hiding something

3163
02:30:33,011 --> 02:30:30,320
secret like the wreckage from Roswell

3164
02:30:36,250 --> 02:30:33,021
you don't believe any of that I will

3165
02:30:38,560 --> 02:30:36,260
avoid the word belief I just don't know

3166
02:30:40,690 --> 02:30:38,570
it's possible and there's certainly

3167
02:30:44,500 --> 02:30:40,700
possible but I don't have enough

3168
02:30:49,410 --> 02:30:44,510
information to make a solid conclusion

3169
02:30:56,680 --> 02:30:49,420
about it I think my gut feeling is that

3170
02:30:59,620 --> 02:30:56,690
it's not true the having wreckages from

3171
02:31:02,640 --> 02:30:59,630
saucers and so on I'm tight on all that

3172
02:31:06,940 --> 02:31:02,650
but that's a gut feeling I don't know

3173
02:31:09,610 --> 02:31:06,950
Bob Lazar I guess is the guy that told

3174
02:31:13,270 --> 02:31:09,620
us about the saucers down under area 51

3175
02:31:15,190 --> 02:31:13,280
and he's probably been on your program

3176
02:31:17,140 --> 02:31:15,200
several times no he hasn't actually

3177
02:31:19,600 --> 02:31:17,150
we've never invited him on we've thought

3178
02:31:21,190 --> 02:31:19,610
about it but I thought you know maybe if

3179
02:31:22,841 --> 02:31:21,200
we are going to have him on we'll have

3180
02:31:25,180 --> 02:31:22,851
mom with George and Africa's George

3181
02:31:27,461 --> 02:31:25,190
Knapp knows him and we can focus on this

3182
02:31:28,961 --> 02:31:27,471
but you know people have disputed

3183
02:31:30,881 --> 02:31:28,971
whether he worked for the government at

3184
02:31:33,551 --> 02:31:30,891
all and that's right

3185
02:31:36,190 --> 02:31:33,561
the only thing I've seen if I recall

3186
02:31:37,961 --> 02:31:36,200
this is maybe a w-2 that says he earned

3187
02:31:39,520 --> 02:31:37,971
like a very small amount of money like

3188
02:31:41,261 --> 02:31:39,530
you would earn if you work for the

3189
02:31:44,020 --> 02:31:41,271
government for four hours or something

3190
02:31:45,970 --> 02:31:44,030
yeah there's no really indication that

3191
02:31:47,520 --> 02:31:45,980
anything he says is really true although

3192
02:31:51,881 --> 02:31:47,530
George Knapp believes it

3193
02:31:54,970 --> 02:31:51,891
yeah well what I heard also was he said

3194
02:31:56,950 --> 02:31:54,980
he had degrees from MIT and Caltech and

3195
02:31:59,140 --> 02:31:56,960
that just that's something you can

3196
02:32:04,091 --> 02:31:59,150
research and it turns out to not be true

3197
02:32:07,930 --> 02:32:04,101
I think his credibility is very much in

3198
02:32:12,780 --> 02:32:07,940
question and if we accept that our

3199
02:32:16,450 --> 02:32:12,790
credulity as at a highly rate high level

3200
02:32:20,230 --> 02:32:16,460
I don't know I am very skeptical of his

3201
02:32:24,160 --> 02:32:20,240
stories we know that area 51 is for real

3202
02:32:26,740 --> 02:32:24,170
I am a neighbor who spent 20 years as a

3203
02:32:30,180 --> 02:32:26,750
aerial traffic controller out at the

3204
02:32:35,080 --> 02:32:30,190
Salt Lake Airport and he told me how

3205
02:32:39,961 --> 02:32:35,090
they were informed that no plane should

3206
02:32:42,700 --> 02:32:39,971
get near the area and we all know that

3207
02:32:45,790 --> 02:32:42,710
the u2 and a couple of things were

3208
02:32:49,450 --> 02:32:45,800
indeed developed there but the idea that

3209
02:32:51,310 --> 02:32:49,460
there are underground labs with bodies

3210
02:32:53,110 --> 02:32:51,320
of extraterrestrials and so on that

3211
02:32:57,520 --> 02:32:53,120
that's pretty tough for me to grab my I

3212
02:32:59,830 --> 02:32:57,530
just I can't disprove it but I just

3213
02:33:02,501 --> 02:32:59,840
don't believe it how's that well maybe

3214
02:33:05,171 --> 02:33:02,511
area 51 is simply a place used as a

3215
02:33:07,030 --> 02:33:05,181
staging ground a test secret military

3216
02:33:09,011 --> 02:33:07,040
aircraft it has nothing to do with et

3217
02:33:11,560 --> 02:33:09,021
has nothing to do with strange phenomena

3218
02:33:13,381 --> 02:33:11,570
of any kind well that's that would be

3219
02:33:16,211 --> 02:33:13,391
the way I feel about it

3220
02:33:18,640 --> 02:33:16,221
all the people who are begging for

3221
02:33:22,060 --> 02:33:18,650
disclosure there's nothing to disclose

3222
02:33:23,921 --> 02:33:22,070
then right oh I think there's a lot that

3223
02:33:25,230 --> 02:33:23,931
could be disclosed but they don't think

3224
02:33:31,500 --> 02:33:25,240
it's

3225
02:33:35,790 --> 02:33:31,510
different attitude toward cases that

3226
02:33:38,551 --> 02:33:35,800
have been reported and studied by the by

3227
02:33:40,051 --> 02:33:38,561
the government well that's the

3228
02:33:42,660 --> 02:33:40,061
government it's in the u.s. even

3229
02:33:46,140 --> 02:33:42,670
investigate the things anymore I don't

3230
02:33:51,390 --> 02:33:46,150
know but I think it's it's very possible

3231
02:33:55,080 --> 02:33:51,400
I have one little story an ex secretary

3232
02:34:00,060 --> 02:33:55,090
technician that I had was married to a

3233
02:34:04,200 --> 02:34:00,070
man who worked for the Air Force during

3234
02:34:06,180 --> 02:34:04,210
the 50s and who was very secretive and

3235
02:34:09,511 --> 02:34:06,190
would not tell her what she what he was

3236
02:34:13,230 --> 02:34:09,521
doing and it took many trips to

3237
02:34:15,120 --> 02:34:13,240
wright-patterson Air Force Base and got

3238
02:34:19,711 --> 02:34:15,130
so upset that he had nervous breakdowns

3239
02:34:23,940 --> 02:34:19,721
and became alcoholic and led to divorce

3240
02:34:26,070 --> 02:34:23,950
and that night you know I put so much

3241
02:34:30,060 --> 02:34:26,080
faith in her because I know her and

3242
02:34:32,100 --> 02:34:30,070
liked her and she was a great lady that

3243
02:34:34,440 --> 02:34:32,110
the story is kind of credible to me and

3244
02:34:36,600 --> 02:34:34,450
it doesn't prove anything but but the

3245
02:34:41,131 --> 02:34:36,610
obvious conclusion is he was working on

3246
02:34:43,110 --> 02:34:41,141
this UFO business in the 1950s I mean

3247
02:34:44,820 --> 02:34:43,120
that's the obvious implication I

3248
02:34:47,540 --> 02:34:44,830
shouldn't say conclusion I don't know

3249
02:34:50,280 --> 02:34:47,550
what the conclusion is how are we doing

3250
02:34:52,770 --> 02:34:50,290
we're doing just fine we're almost done

3251
02:34:55,320 --> 02:34:52,780
so we're gonna have to let you leave the

3252
02:34:57,540 --> 02:34:55,330
building with Elvis very soon now you're

3253
02:35:01,200 --> 02:34:57,550
still active in UFO research after all

3254
02:35:03,150 --> 02:35:01,210
these years the book then is a new

3255
02:35:05,970 --> 02:35:03,160
edition about by the way it's called the

3256
02:35:07,530 --> 02:35:05,980
Utah UFO display a scientists report do

3257
02:35:09,961 --> 02:35:07,540
you have a website or something where

3258
02:35:12,301 --> 02:35:09,971
our listeners can check you out yeah I

3259
02:35:13,020 --> 02:35:12,311
do have a website and it's called the

3260
02:35:21,600 --> 02:35:13,030
Utah

3261
02:35:23,910 --> 02:35:21,610
my son set it up all right

3262
02:35:26,190 --> 02:35:23,920
he's even web-savvy that's great that's

3263
02:35:28,650 --> 02:35:26,200
that's I see here the introduction a

3264
02:35:31,051 --> 02:35:28,660
sample part of the book gives you a lot

3265
02:35:32,961 --> 02:35:31,061
of information about the unit I UFO

3266
02:35:35,160 --> 02:35:32,971
display and dr. Frank Salisbury's

3267
02:35:37,110 --> 02:35:35,170
ongoing research do you have any

3268
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:37,120
lectures of public appearances we can

3269
02:35:41,540 --> 02:35:38,010
check out

3270
02:35:44,389 --> 02:35:41,550
no I kind of wish I did it helps sell a

3271
02:35:45,980 --> 02:35:44,399
book well you know what I'll tell you

3272
02:35:47,690 --> 02:35:45,990
what we'll do we hope that we can sell a

3273
02:35:49,700 --> 02:35:47,700
few books for you we're happy to do it

3274
02:35:52,400 --> 02:35:49,710
and what we're gonna do is when people

3275
02:35:54,230 --> 02:35:52,410
see your name on the para casteth common

3276
02:35:58,160 --> 02:35:54,240
when they click on your name they will

3277
02:35:59,929 --> 02:35:58,170
go right to Utah UFO display calm so

3278
02:36:01,309 --> 02:35:59,939
they can check more information check

3279
02:36:03,469 --> 02:36:01,319
your blog and maybe get in touch with

3280
02:36:07,700 --> 02:36:03,479
you if they have more things to check

3281
02:36:09,230 --> 02:36:07,710
out Chris O'Brien tell us in 10,000

3282
02:36:10,790 --> 02:36:09,240
words or less what you're up to these

3283
02:36:13,400 --> 02:36:10,800
days where they can find more of the

3284
02:36:15,440 --> 02:36:13,410
things that you do yeah well I do have a

3285
02:36:18,290 --> 02:36:15,450
website as well and it's our strange

3286
02:36:21,530 --> 02:36:18,300
planet calm it is a strange planet it's

3287
02:36:24,110 --> 02:36:21,540
our strange planet and pretty much my

3288
02:36:26,929 --> 02:36:24,120
entire database is there and you can get

3289
02:36:29,030 --> 02:36:26,939
all sorts of DVDs and books and goodies

3290
02:36:30,860 --> 02:36:29,040
about my work there well have closed

3291
02:36:33,040 --> 02:36:30,870
door today he's also by the way a

3292
02:36:35,750 --> 02:36:33,050
moderator yeah

3293
02:36:38,510 --> 02:36:35,760
eric has forums and he takes all the

3294
02:36:40,700 --> 02:36:38,520
guff him and Angelo and Ron take all the

3295
02:36:43,550 --> 02:36:40,710
guff from our members and our listeners

3296
02:36:46,250 --> 02:36:43,560
a special thank you always for Chris

3297
02:36:49,969 --> 02:36:46,260
O'Brien for arranging great guests for

3298
02:36:51,800 --> 02:36:49,979
the show dr. Frank Salsbury thank you so

3299
02:36:53,960 --> 02:36:51,810
much for joining us this week on the

3300
02:37:00,741 --> 02:36:53,970
para cast it's been a pleasure you know

3301
02:37:04,951 --> 02:37:03,180
arrogance is a calculated presentation

3302
02:37:07,701 --> 02:37:04,961
of making the impossible incorporated

3303
02:37:17,000 --> 02:37:07,711
tune in next week for a new adventure in